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we've known for about a week that Biden sign this but this is the first one I've actually seen how it was worded.


https://orchidadvisors.com/the-atf-changes-definition-of-engaged-in-the-business/

I can think of a few occasions in my life where I thought I would really like a firearm, bought it, realized I didn't actually like it as I had expected, cleaned it up, put it back in its original packaging and sold it off in "like new" condition.

Now, they say you have to do that "repetitively" to be in trouble, but who decides what that means? How many times, in what time period? Seems to leave it to them to decide, on an ad hoc and arbitrary basis.

Maybe, instead, they can just follow the Constitution, and not infringe on the right at all. Arrest people for crimes, not for selling items perfectly legal to own in what's supposed to be a free market in a free nation.

. that's exactly my thought it's the last part of that newly written definition that leaves a lot of gray area that they can just determine whatever they want...

The rule explicitly says one time can make you a dealer.

I wonder about trades?

Exactly right LD.

It was worded to .govs usefulness.

https://www.ammoland.com/2024/04/who-will-atf-shoot-next/

Who will the ATF shoot next?

Yes, the new rules covers all forms of gun transfers, including barter for good or services.

Personally, I learned some time ago to NEVER SELL A GUN. Way too many that are gone now that I wish I still had.

So, they're liable to kill me for something else, but definitely not for selling guns!

Reminds me of Waco, when they could have grabbed David Koresh anytime they wanted. He went into town on a regular basis. There's no excuse for what they did back then or what they do now. We no longer have a free market and are losing the rest of our freedom incrementally, as in, a little here, a little there, bit by bit. By the time America wakes up it will be too late, and they will find that they can't vote their way out of it. Welcome to the Great Society, folks.

I haven't purchased a gun in years so does that mean I can sell whatever I want without worrying about these new restrictions?

No.
Lets say Gavin win's in 2024 and gun prices shoot through the roof, so you decide to take advantage of the high prices and get rid of a few things you no longer shoot. Since the timing was motivate by pecuniary gain you could still be considered "in the business".

Anybody they murder was always some kind of "terrorist".

Can't help but wonder where FFL holders stand in this, who and how many have supported and encouraged it?



Suddenly they get to be like auctioneers.
A couple mi uses as a selling agent and 25% of the sale.
CHA, chinnnnng!

The first person charged under that regulation for anything other than an egregious offense will challenge it up to the Supreme Court where it will be overturned. The regulation is far too vague.

Never sell the gun. Sell the case and throw the gun in as a gift and write up the bill of sale for the case.

What's an egregious offense and why would egregious, or not, matter?

If egregious is a pass/fail test at all, then it isn't guaranteed to get tossed.

I personally know a few around here that did. Gave me a different opinion of them.

More like the first person with really, really, really deep pockets. Most people could never afford such justice, much less devote the many years necessary to pursuing the case.

So if I decide I'd like to sell a gun (or multiple guns) I've purchased years ago and list it on a Gunbroker auction for a penny and it sells for more than I paid for it (like a lot of other things with this BS inflation), I could be considered "in the business"? How is this any different than selling any other type of items you may have collected over the years?