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Lawdog, they just need to try to live without us and now our successors for a while. Let some bad guy burgle their house, rape their lady or them, stick them up or strong arm them. Then see who they yell for. Let the "whoever" run rampant in the streets looting and pilliging, bet there first thought is "Where the hell are the cops"?
Like that stupid TV show years ago Beretta and song of the Sparrow. "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

I am now through with this insane trash. Believe what you want, but if you don't give the COP an attiutude, you probably won't get one from them either. If you do, report them, they are accountable!

"I am now through with this insane trash."

Terry, you ALWAYS quit but come back another day. It's a thankless, tireless task, but somebody has to post it. Never quitting must be a "cop thing". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Good on ya.

weellllll, now boys,

i read about the 1st twenty or so posts on this thread and i feel like i might be able to offer perspective...

to start with i didn't hear C-joe say anything bad about cops as individuals..... i heard him say that the system which has led to a lot of mistakes and abuse needs a serious tuneup....... and i'll agree with that... so, i expect, would a lot of cops.....

further more i agree with him about this country becoming more and more like a fascist power all of the time.... throughout the last 3 decades i have despised the politics of the "bleeding heart political left" in this nation..... now i have a fundamentally right wing head of state in the white house who has just raped the constitution.... on television he smiles and waves and speaks of american ideals... the left wing and the right wing met on the dark side of the moon, and our nation may just be forfeit as a result.....

an old cop saying was "blue is thicker than blood"
this means that the cops will stick together, and when the whole community knows who the bad guys are this is fine... when a bad guy is defined as the guy who has a few too many rounds of ammo stockpiled in his house.....

an old prosecuters saying was "you can't make chicken salad out of chicken [bleep]".....
a lot of the things that we put people in prison for in the 60s is barely prosecuteable now.... conversely once minor offenses are felonies today...

on the other hand, i know a lot of cops, most of them pretty good guys with a strong sense of right and wrong. i've known a good few who were involved in shooting situations, and believe me, not a one of them just walked away with it... to the best of my knowledge, EVERY shooting where someone was injured or killed by a police officer, for the last 30 years has gone to a grand jury... this is after the dept makes it's own determination of whether the shooting was justified or not... and yes, mistakes are made by cops but nobody walks away grinning..... john w

I've known a lot of teachers and not many are honest about grades, and more than a few are abusive; very abusive. I'm retiring and that's large part of it, and I tell my own children to teach their kids at home if they care for them.

There are too many teachers who shouldn't be out there; most in fact, but as with the "Barney's", when the applications are turned in the administration has to go through sometimes hundreds of applicants to find their friends and family.

Haggis, yer killin' me. Do you like anybody?

Liking poeple isn't the same as trusting.

I like a lot of people who can't be trusted.

I think a few of you guys ought to turn off your TVs, with your cop show re-runs, and take a walk around the block or something. You Know ? Maybe Get a little fresh air.................10

...needs to look at this. Perhaps it will bring about some understanding of current attitudes.

http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/aug/23/arws082301.htm

Joe -
I worked rural and urban. The rural needed police less often that the urgan but when the rural folks called they really needed the police.

The world of lynch mobs is gone like the days of unlighted streets and horse wagons.

What we need is about 95% fewer lawyers. They are the new robber barons - worse by far than any of the cabals that Teddy R broke up nearly a century ago. With very few exceptions the lawyers I have known (many, many) pretend to be honorable but all they are really doing is grubbing for other people's money.

Cops could be better but regardless are needed. By morality lawyers cannot be better because they are preditory by nature.

Let's get off the good hard working cops and get on to the real source of problems in our society - the legal profession without which we'd all be better off.

Touche Norm, I know some scumy lawyers and I know some scumy cops. The difference is that the lawyers can't break down your door and shoot you.

I'm done, this is my last post on the subject. Obviously, I am not going to change anyone's mind on the deal, or even get anyone to actually consider anything. Hopefully, your closest contact with the oppressive system will be on April 15 every year. Although, someone on this board who "loves the police" and thinks America is the greatest country on Earth "by damn" will have a run-in with the system and have your eyes opened and some "greedy" lawyer will be the only thing between you and that meat grinder.

As to cops the, the shining representatives of the system, you LEOs and their supporters really need to start doing IQ test so that the idiots don't blow your arguments out of the water every day. Opened the newspaper this morning to read a story about a cop who chased down four catholic school teenagers after they threw water on his car. During the highspeed chase, he fired at least four rounds at the nefarious evil-doers. Fortunately for the teenagers, residents came out of their houses and stopped any more mischief after the brave and honorable law officer had these vicious thugs cornered in a residential cul-de-sac. The officer has been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation and charges will probably be filed. The police chief could not ignore this incident as that the officer was OFF DUTY and in his PRIVATE automobile at the time. Folks, I don't make this stuff up. This story followed on the heels of the one last week about a local drug task force cop who was being indicted for stealing over $260,000.00 from a drug money shipment of close to $1,000,000.00. The brave, intelligent, and crafty officer would probably not have been caught or even suspected (after all it would have been his word against a "criminal's") if he hadn't bought a new pick-up, boat, and house within a few days of the stop. There is no better comedy in the world than following the antics of some of our LEOs. But, if one thinks about it, laughter turns to tears. Not all LEOs are stupid and no position in America has greater responsibility and power over the lives of the individuals they meet on a day-to-day basis than an LEO. I would rather all the LEOs be stupid than just one of them be bad. One bad LEO or bad decision by a good LEO can and often does destroy someone's life. What if that cop had hit one of those teenagers? We need to clean house and we need to re-evaluate the role of LEOs in our society and stop the sick hero worship that is being promoted right now. Any human system has flaws as does any human. LEOs are not any braver, smarter, more prone to honesty, or anything else than the average guy. I and many believe they may be worse in some respects because of the temptations of power. In any case, because of their awesome power over the lives of individuals, they need to be held strictly accountable for any screw-up and those showing any disturbing tendacies need to discharged forthwith. And we need to re-evalute our policing policies and police training.

Audios, I have to make some money so that I can give it back to the oppresive government in a few months. Those of you who want to keep on living your blissfully igorant lives, do so by all means. I'm sure our masters will come for you last. Those of you who want to think about things, by all means do so. A warning, however, it is a whole lot easier and more comfortable to continue in ignorance. Hey, that sounds a little like the Matrix and take the blue pill or the red pill doesn't it. Have a nice day and I wish everyone well.

Great article.

I'd hire CossatotJoe as my attorney in a heartbeat, if I needed one, which I hope I don't. Too bad he's in Arkansas....I assume by his handle. You guys may not like the message and it may be slightly overstated, but the theme is extremely accurate.

That cop was off-duty. The article stated he is being investigated. Would you rather have him executed on the spot? So, what would you do? He is now suffering the consequences of his actions.
I get what your point is. I do believe you are exaggerating a bit.
How could you prevent cops doing bad things, like stealing money?
What would you change in this branch of government?
By the way, your oppressive taxes pay for some of the benefits you reap by living where you live.
Yes, they are too high.
Any form of government with elected officials is more than prone to money-induced corruption.
I personally defended myself in court against what I believed unfair traffic tickets. I presented facts and won, every time.
Police officers and not worshipped in my town. They are people like you and me.

Hoo boy! Found these while browsing around for info on some of the more egregious cases of LEO misconduct over recent decades. Turns out its hard to find the more distant cases because of a veritable blizzard of more recent ones. A sampling...

2/01... "Officer.... was charged with aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. He shot the party host over an argument about an unwelcome guest, according to the Houston Chronicle. Both men are deputies assigned to the Jail Division."

6/01... "Dallas police officer Senior Corporal.... was arrested on April 13 for aggravated sexual assault. He allegedly kidnapped a woman at gunpoint, then sexually assaulted and robbed her before letting her go. DNA samples from her rape kit matched... who has been placed on paid administrative leave pending the outcome of the case."

6/01... "In particular, officers who extorted sex in exchange for not arresting women have been given only probation, serving no jail time. "

7/01... "A 19-year veteran San Antonio police officer... was convicted last November of sexually molesting a 13-year old girl... ...Three months earlier, Officer... was found guilty of indecency with a child and also given only probation."

7/01..."The chief investigator for the Ector County district attorney's office was indicted in June in Kerr County for stealing paintings from a hotel conference room. "

8/01... "The second consecutive director of the East Texas Police Academy has resigned amid scandal... Academy Director... resigned and relinquished his peace officer's license amid a criminal investigation against him... allegedly purchased child pornography over the Internet.... after serving four years as director of the academy, which is part of Kilgore College. He succeeded former director... who pled guilty to felony theft of handguns. "

9/01... "Fellow officers accused Austin police officer... in August of beating a handcuffed and feet-bound prisoner repeatedly while forcing him into the back seat of a patrol car... Officer... was placed on restricted duty pending the outcome of APD's investigation. Officer... was fired in 1997 for multiple domestic violence incidents involving his wife, including two Hays County arrests and multiple violations of a protective order."

9/01... "More than 200 West Texans crowded a public meeting in late August in Fort Stockton to complain about Department of Public Safety troopers who have followed them, searched their cars and subjected them to harassment." [BW note: "200 West Texans "is a LOT of folks]

9/01... "A 26-year old DPS trooper stationed in Denton has been suspended for taking cash from a man while interpreting for another law enforcement agency at a traffic stop. Videotape from a police car camera captured Trooper... taking $390 from the motorist."

12/01... "Three former Frio County sheriff's deputies face more than 30 counts of civil rights violations... used their positions to commit crimes ranging from stealing weapons to burning down a mobile home... used marked sheriff's vehicles to transport stolen items from the scenes of burglaries and thefts... and initiated unlawful traffic stops of motorists as a pretext to commit unlawful searches and subsequent thefts... Numerous thefts from police property rooms were charged, as well as stealing a camouflage jacket from a dead man. These crimes allegedly took place from May 1996 to February 2000 in Frio County..." [BW note: these clowns were recently convicted]
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This a sampling of one year. Further offenses not listed on this ACLU website can be found by browsing on specific Texas cities. Even given that the vast majority of LEO's are principled public servants the litany of crimes committed by those with a badge is chilling.

I'm gonna get off of this topic, it riles up the respectable LEO's on this board, and I think the point has been made.

http://www.aclutx.org/projects/police/copwatchblotter/index.htm

Birdwatcher

Exactly what point has been made???
First off, the ACLU makes me hurl. Nothing but a bunch of inbred America haters.
Some of the quoted incindences were allegations, not convictions.
I find it hard to believe that somebody is convicted of molesting a child, gets probation from his job, and no civil charges are filed. I feel the honorable ACLU is not telling the whole story here. If they are, there is something seriously wrong with the parties involved in that judicial decision.
Again, what does all this prove? Nobody in the force is a saint. There is some pretty rotten eggs there. And how do you propose to prevent that? I don't know. Let me know when you find ANY group of people that are saints. Haven't met anybody yet that walks on water.
Please, I am not trying to excuse the actions of the guilty individuals. They should be hung, where deserved. But I don't believe that has anything to do with the police force itself.
The individuals abused their position of power. Power can lead to corruption. There is no fix for this.Better controls and oversight will catch more of this corruption.
But why paint all of law enforcement with this dark brush?

"Blue is thicker than blood."
"LEO are a brotherhood."
"A brother backs up a brother." <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I have nothing left to say. You want to generalize, go ahead. Why do you hate the cop around the corner? Why do you hate em all? Why do you hate America?
What is wrong with you?

This being America, you are entitled to your (wrong) opinion. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Joe,
you seem to have a problem with cops protecting themselves on the job (duh).

Tell me then - if the cops all suddenly (or even gradually) adopted your values and chose not to put their own safety first (while daily confronting danger).........where would we find their replacements? Do you understand attrition?

-FreeMe

Logic does not belong here. Especially not as applied to Haggis.
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BTW Haggis, does your handle refer to that awful scottish dish? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />