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Gadfly, we have just had four years of almost unprecedentedly low unemployment rates....so it hasn't been a national problem yet.

Of course there are regional disruptions.....I didn't notice the rest of the country getting all weepy eyed and crying for higher oil prices when oil prices collapsed in the early 80s and devastated the economies of Oklahoma, Texas and Louisiana, or calling for a tariff to protect US oil companies.

We're supposed to be capitalists, for heaven's sake, and used to think we could outcompete anybody. And we faced a world of protectionist trade competitors then, too.

Adapt, improvise, think......

Do I have a notion for how to revitalize rust belt heavy industries that are not globally competitive....no, I don't.

I'm not a dinosaur veterinarian.

The fun part will begin when China doesn't need the American market any longer and nationalizes all of the industry that America has set up for them over there.

Steve,

To be fair if you want to count the Khobar Towers then you need to count the Riyadh compound.

Piper

I assume you're talking about poultry or beef processing plants, or something like that. Working conditions in such places will never be great, but they could be a lot better than they currently are without significant expense.

Bristoe,

If they stop trading with us it would be a blessing,do away with most of our trade deficit other than oil. You can't complain about the trade deficit,and complain that it may come to an end,not logical.

But then most of the dope induced ramblings you spew are not any better.

Britt

Shalom to you too,...

Mr Antlers,

It does appear that you are a Troll plant from moveon.liberal or some such nonsense.

When are you going to post about elk hunting or handloads?

We see you for what you are,nice try. Are you gay,muslim,or a proabortion nut? You are so passionate,it has to be one of those hard core true believer things.

Actually it is the petroleum/petrochemical/oil refining buisiness. It is booming like never before.

OK...if you're gonna 'reach' and distort, something 'your guy' Bush is good at...I suppose that since someone sent weaponized anthrax to some senators and news outlets ONE MONTH AFTER 9/11, and killed 5 Americans and sickened 17 more, that 'it' could technically be considered a 'terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11'! At least it was actually 'on our soil', as the statement was originally made by another poster. Clueless? That's 'your guy'...Bush. It describes him in one word.

Steve, as bad as the oil bust was in the 80's, and it was bad (I knew a lot of people in Tulsa with Geology and Engineering degrees working in convenience stores) it was a relatively short term event compared to what is going to happen with the decline of manufacturing. It is not just a simple matter of switching to a different job sector. What does the service sector service? The bulk of the demand for the upper level service sector (heavy construction, engineering and even a significant portion of legal services) is manufacturing. No manufacturing; no need for those services, and growth in natural resource extraction will not make up for the loss in manufacturing. I am not much impressed with the current employment numbers you cite. Stability of employment is only being maintained by the current surge in natural resource extraction, and that, as we both know, can shut off almost overnight, like it did in the early '80's. That is why I was asking you what the end game was. Where are we going to be 20 years down the road?

What? Oklahoma's Alfred P. Murrah federal building doesn't count as US soil? Is that the new [color:#3366FF][b][u]Obama Geography[/u][/b][/color] that they're teaching the kids now'days?

No offense, but 25 years is a pretty long term crisis.

Geeze, how about the D.C. sniper and the School shootings. Man you and Steve are really reaching.

Piper

Piper, you think calling bombing two embassies, attacking a ship and blowing up a barracks full of troops terrorist attacks on the US is reaching?

What exactly would YOU call a terrorist attack on the US if your embassies, ships and troops aren't an attack on the US?

Steve you're reaching when you count those, which should be counted but don't count the attacks that have occured while Bush has been in office. Do you wish to count the attacks on humm Vees?

Is that too hard to understand?

Piper

I don't consider the petroleum industry to have been in "crisis" for the last 25 years. No one that I knew that lost their job in the early '80's has remained unemployed until the present petroleum boom. They all got jobs in different sectors, some of them much better jobs. And, of course, the petrochem compaies did not collapse (though there was a good bit of consolidation).

As opposed to a Jerry Fallwell type heterosexual, who wants a Constitutional Amendment that says 'marriage is between one man and one woman'...how insecure can one be? As opposed to a Pat Robertson 'christian', who is so greedy that he went into a gold-mining venture in Liberia with Charles Taylor...just think 'blood diamonds'. I guess all those checks, money orders, and love offerings weren't enough...he found time to do business with a butcher. As opposed to a self-righteous anti-abortion nut who holds up large photographs of a bloody, dead fetus in a crowd that includes small children, who are not responsible for this and shouldn't be exposed to this violent content. They hold these photos up for all the children to see...hypocrites who care more about an unborn child than the kids who are standing right in front of them. No thanks. The truth is what it is.

Gadfly, you're right of course that that particular oil crash was only about five or six years long....which seems like a lot longer if you're in it, I can assure you. Changed my legal specialty from oil and gas law to commercial bankruptcy.


I've been hearing about the decline of heavy manufacuring in the US since I was a small boy in the early 60s.....

Predicting the end game would require a crystal ball.....I mean, who would have predicted 25 years ago the extent to which the internet would come to dominate both commercial and private life?

Some similarly unexpectedly important innovation may shuffle the whole economic deck. The emerging markets of China and India are properly seen as opportunities....hundreds of millions of new consumers....find something they need (or you can convince them they need ;)) and sell it to them.

I don't think the entrepreneurial spirit is dead in the US....we're still smart, creative, competitive people who need not fear global competition. I wish we would show more initiative in litigating against protectionist countries under the WTO, but tariffs won't turn back the clock to the time after the War when we were the only intact industrial collosus in the west.....that was a happy historical accident.

"I respectfully disagree...he's done his damndest to drive this country into the ground. His administration has been the most crooked, corrupt, and treasonous in my lifetime. And I personally believe Bush is a puppet, a moron, a liar, a thief, and a mass murderer. It will take our country decades to recover, if we ever can, from his presidency. His legacy will include being a leadership that answered to nobody but itself!"

All these kind words coming from a person that doesn't like being called names or told that he truly is full of chit. You whine about not being able to carry on a decent debate here; but I challenge you to see how long a conservative poster would be tolerated at Huffingtonpost or DailyKos.
Moving right along here..I see by the above quote that you think GWB is the equivalent of the anti-Christ and that he willfully, joyfully, and intentionally has tried to bring this nation down. You and your hypocrisy really slay me. If he and his ilk are in it just for the oil $$$$$$ would it makes sense to destroy the goose that lays the goleden egg? Your are no more than a liberal, deluded troll; one of the "true believers" ; one of the pod people from the far secular/progessive left and it is your kind that wants to bring this nation down and set up a socialist state empowered by a one-world government. You are to be pitied. And defeated at every turn.

Qtip
Soli Deo Gloria!

In essence, he was a child left behind!!