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. . . . . . . . but hey! It's Monday now, and all the so-called Christians can go back to being "regular" folks until next Sunday's - - - religious debate. (rather than live it 24/7)

As you well know, it's all in the interpretation. Your interpretation says not to do such things; and the Hutus, for example, interpreted it in a way that told them TO do such things.

Religion, can be twisted by those holding the power over it, to do what they want.

You can disavow that "all that passes as Christianity is not Christian" all you want. The fact that it happens, and self-professing Christians do it, is proof enough that all religions have their crazies who will turn religion into a justification of their actions. Always has; always will. Because, simply, that's one of the great failings of religions, all of them.

Works for nearly all of them.

Well....speaking of floods....wasn't it your God who only spared Noah and his family and some animals and then took the lives of every living creature on the planet? Kind of qualifies for mass murderer status, doesn't it? Oh yeah, He did it because man was evil...I forgot the defense strategy for a moment.

This was not too long after Cain mudered his brother over some kind of jealousy thing, right? Heck, we had murder in the Bible when there were only about 5 people existing on the planet!!

The list of other accounts of murder and atrocities could cover 2 pages of bandwidth alone. Your God was kinda into taking out alot of innocent, first born, children as well, wasn't he?? If I were to believe in the infallibilty and inerrant line of reasoning, then I'd have evidence of a full blown confession,wouldn't I?

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Derby Dude is a very bright man. He knew where this thread would eventually lead to. I'm blaming him!

Well, he's at least a co-conspirator or co-defendant,anyways!!!

So can atheism, as witness the Communists.

Once again: Every time you run across a situation involving mass murder, with tens of thousands to tens of millions of victims, you will find that the common thread is the State, not religion or a particular religion.

Religion is of course one of the tools that the State can and has used to commit mass murder; but it's certainly not the only one.

No denying that. Which underscores the paramount importance of maintaining the greatest degree of separation possible between church/religion and state/government, and of the very closely related and equally paramount importance of keeping each as small and weak as possible, removed as much as possible from lives of the people as possible.

Yup, NEARLY

But not for me. For me, it is a present reality.

And Isaac -- you have a religion all your own. It takes more faith to believe like you do than it does to believe the Bible. So, help yourself, cause that's all your God can do (you are your own God.)

And even as Christians are always accused of trying to force their "religion" on other folks, your crew is no different. I allow for it. Shucks, GOD allows for it, for now.

And thus, religion again scapegoats religion.

Believe as I do..... Because I'm right, and you're not because what I believe tells me so. Let us not look to the commonalities of our beliefs; let instead castigate, condemn, and even crusade against each other based upon only the differences....... And, of course, because my/your religion said that God told me/you so.....

Which is why I refute and rebuke religion.

I forced nothing shootist...I answered your specific question to me!

They are very different kinds of sedimentary deposits, describing a long series of ages of the earth. Far too many for a young earth.

So, if I was your father, and always told you to love your neighbor, and pray for those who persecute you, and then the first time someone flipped you the bird, you tied him up and tortured him to death, that's actually an example of you behaving in accordance with my instructions?

Well, that's true for government, but to include religion in that is contradictory, since the only way to keep religion out of the lives of people as much as possible is to empower government to bring that about with mass murder and the like, as we saw in the atheistic Soviet Union and Red China. Religion is an element of liberty. To restrain it is to restrain liberty, i.e., empower government. So you can now see the contradiction in you last sentence, yes?

I tried to follow this thread as best I could...for an educated blonde anyway...but wasnt the topic about death???

Silly Lady!!!!

You know how these things go. The first dozen posts where about death. Now we are just trying to convince people that my GOD is better than your GODDESS, my RELIGION is better than your RELIGION, and I have the ONLY TRUTH, and everything you believe is FALSE. I think I've summed it up pretty good.

Bob has indicted me for starting this thread. Wait till next Sunday when we discuss Bob's topic "Thou shall not covet thy neighbor's wife" with a bunch of horny men.

Started that way, it seems. Funny how things morph, ain't it?

I never said that, as a matter of fact, I said that I allow for your beliefs, and so does God.

And BTW, you also think you're right. I am NOT on a crusade, and so now, before the swords are drawn and the bullets fly, in the name of truth, , I'll do what I said . . . . allow you to have your beliefs.

And I don't even demand the same from you.

Death in the spiritual realm is eternal separation from God � unthinkable, intolerable for some, alluring and welcome (now) for others.