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Scientists sent a delegate to tell God that He was no longer relevant.
"Oh!" God said, "Why's that?"
"Now we can create life in the laboratory."
"Wonderful! How do you do that?"
The scientist stooped and scooped-up a handful of dirt.
"no, no, no!" God said, "Use your own dirt!"
"Good enough" isn't.
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Just in case noone else has noticed..its now Tuesday (at least in Alabama) Should we change the title of this thread???? Im having a martini (gin of course) at midnight and listening to the thunder of disagreement....so Im captive...just thought we were two days past the title origin.
LOL
"Courage is Fear holding on a minute longer."
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(I see Ken Howell is burning the midnight oil as well......)
"Courage is Fear holding on a minute longer."
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(I see Ken Howell is burning the midnight oil as well......) It's not midnight yet where he is...  Penny
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. --Hebrews 11:1
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(I see Ken Howell is burning the midnight oil as well......) It's not midnight yet where he is... Penny Correct! Ken is an ever present force no matter what time it is!!
"Courage is Fear holding on a minute longer."
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Correct! Ken is an ever present force no matter what time it is!! So if he's with you when you're burning the midnight oil, then he's burning it too. That makes sense to me... I think I need to go to bed!  Penny
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. --Hebrews 11:1
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Man says "Make it clear enough for me to understand, and I may accept it."
God says "Accept it, and I may make it clear enough for you to understand it."
God is Supreme � He has no need to prove Himself to anybody. His way will always prevail, no matter what Man may prefer. He'll grieve if you don't belong to Him, but His life won't lack as much as yours will.
"Good enough" isn't.
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Brian it sounds like you are trying to find faith, that is good.
You'd be surprised at the places you'll find a miracle. Sometimes we just over look them.
Pat
"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a brave and scarce man, hated and scorned.
When the cause succeeds, however, the timid join him...for then it cost nothing to be a patriot."
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God, miracles, and Man's mind �
Carl torques a bolt on an engine to factory spec.
Or did his wrench do it?
Which wrench? His old springy one or his new digital one?
Or did that bolt get tight right all by itself?
Carl doesn't bother with torque specs on the bolts that hold his Adirondack lawn chair together.
Why not?
So does Carl exist?
Sheesh! How Man "thinks!"
"Good enough" isn't.
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Dennis Miller's mental image of a sumo wrestler inspecting his butt for cellulite pales in comparison to some of the contortions that I see some good people go to to perpetuate their biases.
"Good enough" isn't.
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Correct! Ken is an ever present force no matter what time it is!! So if he's with you when you're burning the midnight oil, then he's burning it too. That makes sense to me... I think I need to go to bed! It's 11:42 PM here � so off to "bed" (recliner) for me, too!
"Good enough" isn't.
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Man says "Make it clear enough for me to understand, and I may accept it."
God says "Accept it, and I may make it clear enough for you to understand it."
God is Supreme � He has no need to prove Himself to anybody. His way will always prevail, no matter what Man may prefer. He'll grieve if you don't belong to Him, but His life won't lack as much as yours will. That and the contortions of a sumo wrestler are very good. Lovin' it. And thanks.
"Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life." (Prov 4:23)
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For me - I'd need to see something "Godly", you know, things like he was supposedly showing people 2000 years ago.
A bush popping into fire, rotting dead men coming back to life, a man turning to salt, a world where nothing died, a sea parting, an angel - that kind of thing.
Something "impossible".
Like an amputee growing new legs after being prayed on or after having hands layed on.
Or an airplane set gently down on a runway after it's wings fell off.
Or a world with no war, death and disease.
You know - something BIG.
Until then I remain a skeptic's skeptic - on all manner of things. I'm a "show me the money" kind of guy. A "prove it" person.
Like I said before, so far, there is as much proof there is a tooth fairy as there is proof there is a God.
One man's religion - is another man's myth. Very unlikely as many watched Jesus preach, heal the sick, make the invalids walk, and raise the dead and walked away unbelieving. In fact the Pharisees-perhaps the most religious of all-schemed to kill Lazerus also after Jesus raised him from the dead just to get rid of the evidence. And these were the people who knew the traditions of the OT which prophsied the coming of the Messiah. Those who reject God will not be convinced by any measure of miraculous signs and will rationalize them away.
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I have to bow out when that sweetheart of a lady, Penny, starts jumping my butt.
She intimidates me!!
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
William Arthur Ward
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lol
I like being ornery and mischievous but around Penny,...it just ain't fun.
She makes me feel like being a 'good' person and all that crap.grin
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bushrat,
God has no desire or reason to create robots. Man can do that with the material that God has supplied.
He don't need to create robots, all he need do is take the sin/evil out of the world. Why did God create sin/evil??
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Why did God create sin/evil??
Sin/evil cannot exist without "free will".  If everything is pre-ordained then one cannot be responsilbe for ones actions.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence". John Adams
"A dishonest man can always be trusted to be dishonest". Captain Jack Sparrow
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bushrat,
God has no desire or reason to create robots. Man can do that with the material that God has supplied.
He don't need to create robots, all he need do is take the sin/evil out of the world. Why did God create sin/evil?? He did not create sin or evil,He created beings with the free will to choose their own path. It is then not His fault that people sinned,and still choose to sin today. The good news is that He provided an cure to the sickness of sin that infects us all,Jesus. Britt
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Not quite Barak.
For four decades or so - I TRIED to believe.
I mean, no man on earth could ever loved his parents more than I did. If I do anything to see them again, and never die, and live in paradise - with them - forever - I'd jump at the chance. But my mind can't suspend its disbelief and Christians, no matter how hard they try, can't answer many of the questions I've outlined.
To think that EVERY peer-reviewed paleontologist is wrong, to think animals were all created within days of man, to believe in a Noah, and a world-wide flood - when there's no evidence of such, to believe the races of man are a few thousand years old, and life on earth the same - I just can't suspend my logical mind enough to enable unquestioning faith to take it's place.
There's wishful thinking (faith) and then there is reality - and observable facts.
I need to see (or hear about) real evidence - before I'll believe in ANYTHING. Being a Christian doesn't require the belief in any of the above. I believe, in fact, that only the minority of Christians believe those things. Not everything in the Bible must be believed as literally true. For example, Jesus called the folks gathered on the mount "the salt of the earth," and "the light of the world." They were not literally that, but figuratively. Sometimes you look for the symbolic meaning behind the literal statement to find the truth in it.
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Tod, it's not a hard life. It's the easiest life you could imagine. Jesus said, "...my yoke is easy and my burden is light." (Matthew 11:30) I know it seems as though it should be the opposite, but it's not.
It a rare person who try to walk in those footsteps - so rare we remark on it. "Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves purses which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near, nor moth destroys." Luke 12:33 That wasn't a command to sell all that you have and give to the poor. The simple message was that to sacrifice for the benefit of others, to any degree, is a worthy endeavor, and has eternal rewards attached. To do so to the max could, in a certain context, be even more worthy, but is far from a requirement.
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