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Hey bud, wait till you turn it into a 340 and run the 300 SMK's...then you have something!

Dober

Why nor a 338 RUM then? It's worth a good 150 fps over the Wby.........

That'll work too, then again so will the 338/378 KT...

Dober

Yeah but I hear the KT kicks.............

Dat's just a nasty rumor started by those that haven't used it...grins

It's more like a bump than a kick.

Dober

And speaking of 338 RUM's, the ones that I've worked with have flat out shot.

But then again I've found the 33's the be the easiest ones out there to get to shoot.

Dober

A bump like falling off a 30 ft cliff and landing on your shoulder?

I actually found my 338 RUM to be more comfortable than my 340 Wby even with 10 ft lbs more recoil, but that was because the Wby was in an HS precision stock, which is about the worst choice for a heavier recoiling rifle.......

Stocks and how they fit people big time comes into handling recoil.

Weight of the rig comes into play as well. My first .340 was on my old 700 and with it's Schneider tube cut to 23" it came in at 8.25 lbs with a 3-10 Leo on it. My bud couldn't understand what I meant about the extra bump from the 250's till he shot mine. His was 9.25lb's with a 2-8 on it. The extra pound no doubt make a difference.

That tube was my first Schneider tube and it would consistently do 5 in .75" or less and man did I ever pound heck out of game with it. My buds in elk camp came to call it "Thunder"...

All I know is that it was one heck of a long range chuck rifle.

Long live the big 33's!

Dober

The 338 Lapua, 338 RUM and 338/378 KT are all about the same case capacity. The 338 Lapau can be driven faster because it is CIP'd to 68,ooo PSI and the brass in the 338KT and 338 RUM can't stand more than 62 to 64,000 PSI pressure. The 338 KT is a shortened 378 Weatherby case and the Weatherby case is a 416 Rigby with a belt added

The guys I know who have ran the Lapau's haven't been super impressed with the speeds they got from them. I've never owned one but have ran them a bit.

I still likey the .340 the best of the lot but twer I starting today I'd most likely go RUM.

Dober

I have ran the 250 SMK's out of my 338 Lapua to 3197 FPS average with 95 grains of R-25 that's moving pretty good IMHO. I am currently shooting the 300 SMK at 2800 FPS with 92 Grains of H-1000. Retumbo and US-869 will get more velocity with the 300 grain SMK than will H-1000. H-1000 Is a very consistent pwder and load in this combo.

I don't know that I agree with that. I personally know of 340 Wby brass that was tested at 74,000 PSI and showed no pressure signs, and of 30-06 Remmy brass tested to 80,000 PSI showing no pressure signs. My experience and research would lead me to believe that both Wby and Rem brass in most chamberings will go 70,000 PSI plus...........

I am not saying that it can't happen, but on average Norma brass is softer than other.

From the Lapua web site

"The reason for .416 Rigby case being a good prototype and parent case, but not the actual choice for the new caliber case was quite clear. For the .338/416 cartridge the velocity of a 16,2 g bullet was 915m/s. A completely different case designed for a higher pressure level was clearly needed. The original Rigby .416 case had a rough 3000 Bar pressure case. The new cartridge was designed for over 4000 Bar pressures. The original pressure definition based on the deformation of the copper pellet method - the crusher method - was specified in the beginning into 56000 CUPs (about 3900 bar). When CIP moved to the piezo transducer period, a mistake was made somewhere resulting in the pressure medium for .338 Lapua Magnum to stay in the 4700 Bar level, even thought the correct level is in the 4200 Bars."


http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=889

Speaking of stocks and recoil, I was once again astounded today at how LITTLE my .325 Montana kicks.

And speaking of H-S stocks, the one on my 300 WM Sendero does indeed jolt me pretty good.

Nothing wrong with a 300 Win Mag as this 300 yard group will attest

Norma IS softer, but even soft stuff will hold 70,000 PSI......

Nice shooting JWP, heck I'm kind of like Cooper in that I'd be more than happy to do that @ 50...

Dober

Be that as it may the Lapua case is designed for more pressure than the other cases

Thanks, Dober...

I do agree that Lapua cases will hold more pressure than Norma cases, though Rem cases are very close to Laupa in strength.

Almost like I got a fan.... or stalker.


Seriously, are you twelve? You can't discuss 308 vs. 7mm, AMAX vs. Berger, or what either doe's to animals at LR, but you want to question how many deer I kill or how I do it? Grow up dude.




Nevertheless........




There is no discrepancy. The deer was in fact not lost. It made it into a very big brier thicket, which also happened to be the bedding area for a potential B&C, and we nearly cut the entire thing down with machete's before we found him.

If you killed 20-30 deer a year would you have spent a couple prime hunting days looking for a dink 4-point?




Since you don't like how those deer were killed, and that some where does..........





Though admittedly, one was a midget, and a treestand was involved......