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Excellent point!

How am I doing?

depends on if you're driving us there in that 10 gallon-per-mile rig, and if you need gas money.

It did not seem that I was irritating anyone when I posted it.

The subject is all around western rifle, [So] if you show up with it at white mountain and can't use it, it would seem in my mind not to qualify as an all around western rifle.

John....pack that 3/8" Roy full of Ramshot Hunter under the Accus....the Roy will go 'round the H&H like a Corvette passes a Mack truck....

Somehow I just can't let this one go, though it appears there are more brick walls on this thread than on most.

David plainly stated in the very first post that he also has a .375 H&H. I believe that would qualify for White Mountain Apache, though he didn't mention any plan to go hunting there. The first couple pages also contained several different posts suggesting using the .375 only on really big stuff (like trophy elk, Alaskan moose, big bears, etc.), and the .257 Weatherby only for game up to meat elk in size.

But somehow the whole thing was reduced to another cyberspace fire-and-brimstone rant-and-rave over whether to use the .257 Weatherby or the .300 Winchester Magnum to shoot giant bull elk at 600 yards-along with the standard potshots at the ethics and character of people who would consider either possibility.

The .375 Weatherby will get about 100 fps more than the .375 H&H, when both are loaded to the same pressure in the same barrel length. That isn't exactly lapping the field.

This whole thread has gone so far beyond reality that it shoukd die a violent death.

I bought this 375 H&H from Fosteology a while back. It's a sweet shooter, and doesn't recoil too hard with 270 grain TSXs.

257 and 375? looks like a winner to me...


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Yup.

Steve

MickeyD: Agree with that one. I had a bull live long enough to take just two steps before falling into Hells Canyon. I had let him reach and stop on a level terrace before lighting one off. He made a nice straight slide for about 400 yds before an antler dug in and the body piled up behind. Had that not happenend, he could have easily done another 400. I went back to camp and had him lashed to the hillside with every rope we owned before I started gutting and skinning.

Can't blame that on a 257 though, as I was using a 7 mm Rem Mag that day.

Personally, I'd rather use the 300 WM because I'd be happy with a 23" barrel in that chambering, whereas the 257 Wby would do better with a 25" bbl. I'd build the 300 WM around 7.5 lbs all-up and run a 180 at 3,000 fps or a 200 grainer at 2,850 fps and call it good. I'd think the 375 H&H and 300 WM would make an ideal "world battery."

OTOH, David W sells rifle significantly faster than I do, so any recommendation is probably moot (grin).

The 257, however, is a great round and totally elk-capable on any elk including genuine elkasaurus.

I once was sitting on a ridge looking for Wapiti at daybreak and heard a "BANG" very close by. Walked over to where I'd heard the shot and found an older gent with a nice five pt on the ground. I was pretty surprised as the man was well over 60 years old, and the ridge I was on was a brutal and steep clilmb. Talking, he mentioned he'd taken the bull with a 270 WBY and told me he preferred his old 257 WBY as he'd taken over 30 bulls with it and had only recently started with the 270 WBY which, he said, kicked more and didn't kill elk any deader.

Hard to argue with that...

Gas is cheap now!!

BTW ... when is the SCI banquet and where do I get a couple tix ... Sara had a hoot @ last year's shcing ding.

Nice rifle!

It is not worth the energy of an argument, but I reserve the right to disagree with anyone about anything in a discussion.
Differences are what makes conversation.

John,

Wish I could take credit for anything other than seeing a good deal and taking it. Shoots like magic. NP3'd, bedded in a McMillian, has the Magnum Resources top that takes Remington rings, etc. I love it.

If you're free the weekend of the banquet (below) you could meet a ton of 24hourcampfire guys....

Avagadro,

SCI banquet is 22 Feb at the Red Lion in Pasco. Call me at work, we can discuss.

Brad, obviously you're all wrong. .300 should have 23.5" tubes and .257 obviously 25.5"! <smirk>

I had no idea that was possible.......grin

Just teasing Brad.

StrayDog,

I apologize for jumping on your post. Here I am suggesting some of us should be more civil (which I've suggested here before), yet I saw your post as another brick on a pile of previous bricks.

It wasn't--though it did overlook the .375 solution. But it wasn't uncivil, and I when I finally reacted to the direction of this thread my frustration appeared to be taken out on you. I didn't intend that.

Effin Traitor!

I'll never again sell you a heavy 9.3X62 that drives tacks...

Who ended up with it? I almost tried to buy it back. But, I've gone to using my 257 Bob AI and 7X57 AI in LW rifles.

Do them elkasaurus get bigger than our moose that are killed by sub magnum calibers year in and year out?...grin

Western hunting can include a good rag-dolling from a grizzly.Thus voids the 257.