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68grs of RL22 gave me 2800fps from a 25" tube.
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What was the original question?
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Hard to say but I know someone that will have the answer regardless.
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Oh yeah, 257 Weatherby or 300WM (Win or Weatherby)for a good all around western rifle.
You already own a 257 Weatherby Roy and a 375 H&H.
No brainer as stated before, get a 30 caliber.
Add a varmint rifle, and you are set. But that is a whole nother thread, 17 vs 223 vs 22-250 vs 204 vs 220 swift. Oops, did I just open another can of worms?
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Forget any cartridge ending in "by" and get a good 30-06 or .308 Win. The 30-06 will handle anything in North America and most critters around the world.
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Any loads to share with the 300 and 220 partitions? That is my hunting buddy's favorite bullet in his post '64 300 Win Mag he uses RL 25 for around 2700 fps I'm not sure of the charge weight but I know he worked up his loads from Hornady data. Shoots very accurately out of his gun.
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Why am I in the Optics Forum, and why can't I get out?
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Any loads to share with the 300 and 220 partitions? That is my hunting buddy's favorite bullet in his post '64 300 Win Mag he uses RL 25 for around 2700 fps I'm not sure of the charge weight but I know he worked up his loads from Hornady data. Shoots very accurately out of his gun. Funny, it's no great trick to get 2,800 with a 200 from the 300 WSM...
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Why am I in the Optics Forum, and why can't I get out? Now that's funny, I don't care who you are. 
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Yes, it is!
I have found it no great trick to get 2900 out of the 200-grain Partition in the .300 WSM, at least from a 24" barrel.
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John, in five 300 WSM's I've found it's ABSOLUTELY pushing the outer limits of pressure to get 200 grain bullet to 2,900 in a 24" bbl. But I'm a bit conservative and actually like my brass to come out of the chamber 
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I have only loaded for 3 .300 WSM's, including one of the very early Winchester 70s, a Kimber, and a Briley custom rifle. But I got the following:
200 Nosler Partition, 68/H4831SC--2879
200 Nosler Partition, 67/RL-22--2893
200 Kodiak, 66/RL-22-2916
All these loads are within the maximums listed in the latest Nosler manual, extraction was easy, primer pockets stayed tight, and accuracy was around 3/4" at 100 yards for three shots.
But different rifles do different things.
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That actually makes the 300WSM interesting I load for a friend of mine's rifle, but only 150 grainers as that's all he shoots. Might have to pick one up for myself, I see them used around here all the time.
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My 300 WSM's have been three M70's and two Kimber's... RL22 got me to the mid 2,800's before the brass started to stick in the chamber.
Thing I've noticed about the WSM is book loads are one thing, but hunting loads are another... BOOK LOADS may be fine PSI-wise, but not extract well because of the large surface area and minimal taper of the WSM case... I've found sticky-tight loads at the top-end book loads of nearly every 300 WSM load I've tried... the case may "do" what the books say safely, but those are not necessarily loads I want to hunt with.
I can "get" to 3,000 fps with 180's in most 300 WSM's, but I wouldn't want to hunt with any run that hot... the cases just don't "fall out" of the chamber run that hot IME...
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Yeah, I agree to certain extent. I suspect a lot more depends on the individual rifle with WSM extraction, as in how slick the chamber is, how square and polished the lugs are, etc. But in my rifles I've found the above loads work fine.
In reality I like the .300 H&H better than the .300 WSM. It feeds and extracts really easily, and has the same case capacity and hence ballistics of the .300 WSM. But try to find a .300 H&H in a light rifle. And try to find .300 H&H brass vs. .300 WSM.
Of course the rational solution is either a .30-06 or a .300 Winchester. But damn they're boring.
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Interesting gun gack here but I use 73/H4831sc in Fat Bastid (338 wsm) with the 200 Horn to get to 2801 fps? (this is my fire form load and it shoots into lil teeny tiny bug holes or at least they look that way to my maturing eyes... 75 gets me to 2867 fps for those who care...grin Dober
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I just turned 50 a month back and am beginning to realize just how darn good boring things are....grins
Like the 270 or 06 or 308 with Nozler Pt...Kind of like kissing grammy (I'd guess) but darn they work!
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Dober-
I'd have thought you could get about 100fps more with that bullet. Are you running a short tube?
Thanks.
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22" or a tish less, 75 of H4831sc gets me to 2867 fps and that's a great plenty out of the lil case IME...
Could hammer it into the land of 29 but I see no reason to run something that hard anymore. Glad I've left those days behind.
Like any of the other WSM's within 100 fps of the old standard mags is about the end of the line.
Dober
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