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What will your 'fat bastid' do velocity wise with 225 grain pills, Mark?
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22" or a tish less, 75 of H4831sc gets me to 2867 fps and that's a great plenty out of the lil case IME...
Could hammer it into the land of 29 but I see no reason to run something that hard anymore. Glad I've left those days behind.
Like any of the other WSM's within 100 fps of the old standard mags is about the end of the line.
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Naw, me either. And don't believe there is any field difference between a 200-grain .30 at 2800 or 2900--or a 200-grain .338 at 2800 or 2900. I just try to report what I've seen happen.
But if we all bought .270s and .30-06s and .338s and just went out and hunted, what would we do with the rest of our time? Especially when it's cold and most hunting seasons are over. I've noticed a LOT of Montana posts in the past few days....
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Of course the rational solution is either a .30-06 or a .300 Winchester. But damn they're boring. John, you KNOW I'm a 30-06 man at heart but never claimed to be a particularly "interesting" person (grin)...
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Especially when it's cold and most hunting seasons are over. I've noticed a LOT of Montana posts in the past few days....
Welcome to my world! Up here the best way to describe this time of the year is........[bleep] my life!
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I've noticed a LOT of Montana posts in the past few days....
Guilty as charged!
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How about some long range wolf eradication?
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Brad, about 10% of my own centerfire rifle collection (which is neither tiny nor huge) is made up of .30-06's.
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Why is that? Is it the necessity of having different action types? Different classic rifles in that caliber? Redundancy?  I have a modest number of rifles, but seven 30-06's. All are different makes, three are bolt actions, one single shot, one auto loader, one lever action and one pump action 
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What will your 'fat bastid' do velocity wise with 225 grain pills, Mark? Tim-I've not done much work with the 225's but 2700 and a bit more is it for the most part. 2750 with H4831 is one load that I ran for a bit. With the 250 SMK and H4841 I topped out at 2624 and with H4350 I topped out at 2700 (but that one was a bit stout). 2600-2650 seems about right in the 22" tube that I have on fat. Dober
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How about some long range wolf eradication? Thats in the plans, just need a little more daylight than we've had lately.
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Thanx Dober.
Sounds like it is just a tick behind the 338Win, which ain't bad at all.
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Among my .30-06's are are:
1) A Sauer drilling, with 12-gauge shotgun barrels.
2) A classic sporter built on the '03 Springield action that I stocked myself, with a an old Redfield receiver sight.
3) Two pre-'64 Model 70's, one a pre-war.
4) A T/C barrel, among several for an Encore rifle.
5) An old Remington 700 ADL with 20" barrel.
6) A New Ultra Light Arms Model 24.
etc. etc.
As Brad has posted here before, the rifle is usually the big thing now, but the .30-06 is never a mistake.
Oddly enough I have never owned a Ruger No. 1 in .30-06, despite my love of No. 1's. Have owned a Rem. 760 in '06, though, and used it to good effect.
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Makes sense, the 30-06 is a great reason to buy any rifle as you can have all the exoticism of a new make and type of action with no muss nor fuss on the loading end.
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Have been looking for the right No. 1, but then I already have a 1A in .280 Ackley, which is the rifle loony's .30-06.
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Your initial post inquired about loads for the 300 WM.
These loads were OK'd by email from Barnes 3 years ago and are, in fact, below their max at that time.
168 TSX
Win cases + R 9 1/2M
RL 22 79 grains for 3193 fps and group of .503
168 TSX
Win Cases + CCI 250M
RL 19 78 grains for 3225 fps and group of .412
168 TSX
Win Cases + F 215M
H4350 74 grains for 3243 fps and a group of .987
I believe this rifle would easily go to 3300 fps w/o pressure problems. The recoil with each of the 168 TSX loads seemed mild, certainly not unpleasant for a 8 lb. 10 oz. rifle all up.
My favorite load is a 180 Partition over RL 22 75.5 grains with Win cases, F215M primers for a velocity of 3025 fps and groups of below .4 MOA.
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For what it's worth, I ran these calcs at http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/ballistics/traj_card/traj_card.html Given similar lightweight bullets, the are both FLAT shooting, but the advantage goes to the WBY. I could not find data on the 80 grain TTSX in 257, or I would have used that. I'm thinking laser beam... ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/257_wby_vs_300_win_mag_range_cards.JPG)
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Well, heck. made a few assumptions about BC and velocity, moved the zero to 300 yards, and this is what I cam up with for the 257 WBY and the 80 grain Tipped TSX. How's zat for flat shooting? ![[Linked Image]](http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/257_WBY_80_gr_ttsx_range_card.JPG)
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257 might be a touch flatter shooting but every single time the 300 win mag punches a bigger hole and is far more versatile.You can hunt squirels with a pellet gun but a .22 works better...
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Of course the rational solution is either a .30-06 or a .300 Winchester. But damn they're boring.
JB:I happen to like "boring"  There is a 3rd choice that will allow an "easy" 3000+ with a 200 gr,3200 with a 180,slick feeding,and no extraction problems....it's called a 300 Weatherby  And the other thing I am liking about it today;the factory ammo from Weatherby and Federal is so good,giving "spec" velocity with great bullets and great accuracy,that I have not found a reason to handload for it yet. Chronographed some Weatherby 180 BT ammo the other day and averaged about 3180 for 5 shots.Temps were in the 20's.The cartridge is just too easy!
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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