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My primary will be a 168 or 180 grain TTSX from a 300 Winny. I wanted to try the 150 TTSX in my 30-06, since the 30-06 will be used primarily for deer and black bear. However, the 30-06 is such nice light rifle that it might get taken along on an elk hunt, and I am a one-load-per-gun kind of guy. IO expect the 150 TTSX to achieve between 3000 and 3100 fps from my 24" barreled 30-06.
Has anyone used a 150 grain X, TSX, or TTSX on elk or other large big game? How well did it work?
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Got pics....grin This should, emphasis should be a very short thread. But, for some reason or another I think it won't be. Blaine, just run a 180 Noz in both your 06 and your 300 and call it a day. Dober
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Got pics....grin This should, emphasis should be a very short thread. But, for some reason or another I think it won't be. Blaine, just run a 180 Noz in both your 06 and your 300 and call it a day. Dober Not interested in a 180 in the 30-06, though I'd expect the 150 TTSX to perform like a 180 NP ...... The NP would have to retain 83% of it's weight to weigh the same as the 150 TTSX on exit. The NP is more likely to retain 70-75%. Now I realize the NP may--as it sheds some weight, make a bigger hole that at TTSX of the same weight. But a 30 grain ligther TTSX travelling 400 fps faster ought to expand as well........ I have killed three deer and a hog with the 168 TSX, and all I have seen is excellent performance. Wound channels taper from bullet diameter to about 2" in diameter at the exit. While it works, I think a lighter bullet travelling faster would make a bigger wound channel and still exit, amking it better for deer. However, I wonder if the 150 TTSX will break both shoulders on an elk............
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This could be interesting.
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It shouldn't be. I have the speculation angle covered compeltely, but I do need data from those who have used the 30 cal X, TSX, and/or TTSX on large animals.
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I cant speak on the 150's but since your asking about big critters, I put a 165 TSX out of 300 WSM through a moose, its still flying!...grin
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Search some of Brad's posts on the TTSX....he's got pictures as well.
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Search some of Brad's posts on the TTSX....he's got pictures as well. Yes, he does have pictures of recovered bullets that were recoverd from some very dead animals..
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not out of a 30-06 but from wsm's and ultra mags. very dead animals indeed. the um took a cow elk at 753 yards, bullet not to be found, hole in and out !
now to get a lil slower, i did get a cow elk at just a tad past the 250 yard line back in december with my 280 ai, and a 140 ttsx. another bullet not recovered.....
load em up and have no regrets, the 150 will do the job.
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No, he has a 150 TTSX from a 308 Win
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I guess I should claify. I am not looking for the debate on how old Barnes bulelts would sometimes fail to open. That problem was mostly fixed with the TSX and probably completely fixed with the TTSX.
So assuming the bullet expands like it's supposed to, is it significantly worse on elk that the 165/158/180s?
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Search some of Brad's posts on the TTSX....he's got pictures as well. Make that: He's got A picture. A single bullet. It's not plural.
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Now the heat's on!!
A 70ish hunting partner of mine shoots elk with standard vanilla 150 grain bullets out of his very old '06. They've all died.
I've shot many with Nosler Partitions from 284 to 338. Many more with cup and cores from 35s and 45-70s. None survived.
Bullet placement according to shot angle appears to have much greater effect than weight.
I think your 150 Barnes will work just fine, if you do guide it properly.
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Blaine,
Based on what I used to see with the early 150 XFBs in my '06 I'd say the 150 TTSX ought to work to your complete satisfaction on elk most of the time. I once drained two caribou soundly and didn't recovered the single bullet. I'm quite sure I could have gotten three if I had tried. (I quit using that bullet after Branes decided it needed a longer ogive and the consequent skinny nose that didn't open as well or as fully.) I never did shoot my moose with that bullet like I had planned - I ran out of the ones with the better profile. I'm sure they would have worked great though even though our moose tend to dwarf many elk.
Like others however, though I have been duly impressed by the mono-coppers when they work well, I have also seen the confidence crushing results of them when they require perfect placement in order to do their work - sometimes slowly.
Since these threads tend to sometimes become about the "indian", I'll simply say that this indian gets to choose - and I quite choosing solid copper bullets a few years ago. I don't like bad "arrows", and unlike ordinary arrows, one can't tell by looking at these.
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That problem was mostyl fixed with the TSX and probably completely fixed with the TTSX. Blaine, I wish that were true. The truth is, Randy Brooks owner of Barnes Bullets knowingly buys bad lots of copper or has the potential of being bad. He has no control over it, it controls him and the truth is, he does not give a crap because he knows he has a fan club that will buy into anything he produces. He does not have the capability of producing a bullet that is going to perform every time due to the material he buys. Barnes Bullets has a history or a track record of producing bad bullets at times, this includes all types. I personally expect better.
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That problem was mostyl fixed with the TSX and probably completely fixed with the TTSX. Blaine, I wish that were true. You're basing that off of a sample of 1 (one) TTSX bullet that failed to expand properly? He does not have the capability of producing a bullet that is going to perform every time Show me a company that does.
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Blaine, I wish that were true.
The truth is, Randy Brooks owner of Barnes Bullets knowingly buys bad lots of copper or has the potential of being bad. He has no control over it, it controls him and the truth is, he does not give a crap because he knows he has a fan club that will buy into anything he produces.
He does not have the capability of producing a bullet that is going to perform every time due to the material he buys.
Barnes Bullets has a history or a track record of producing bad bullets at times, this includes all types.
I personally expect better. Blaine did not ask if you liked Barnes bullets, he stated he had experience with them, and asked if anyone specifically had run a 150 TTSX through an 06 on elk. WTF kind of response is this, other than just trying to start another chit storm? Jesus!
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