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...but the bottom line is the .308 is a more powerful cartridge than the 7-08,... Even better, compare the 140 gr in the 7mm-08 vs the 150 in the 308 (probably the most popular bullet weights for each). Energy (ft-lbs) Cartridge Type Bullet Muzzle 100 200 300 400 500 Remington� Express� 140 PSP CL 2542 2142 1793 1490 1228 1005 Remington� Express� 150 PSP CL 2648 2137 1705 1344 1048 810 The above info is a straight cut & paste from Remington's website, comparing Express loads, so it's as much apples to apples as you can get. The 7mm-08 has already taken over at 100 yards, and the difference keeps growing the further you go.
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RemShooter, I don't think you can go wrong either way, but I'd tend to go towards the .308 for a number of reasons, the most important being that you already have a .308 caliber supply of bullets (this will be cheaper in the long run and will make up for the $200 after a few years).
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I once had identical Rem Mod Sevens, stainless/synthetic, 2X7 Burris compact scopes, one in 308 the other in 7mm/08. Both were handy and quick in the brush, deer died just as quickly when shot with one as the other.
I sold the 308 and kept the 7mm. Why? Beats me. There wasnt a nickels worth of difference in their performance on game.
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Buy the 7-08, take the $200 and buy a scope, load up some 140gr B-Tips or Partitions and go hunting.
Very good and deadly combo in the whitetail woods.
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...the most important being that you already have a .308 caliber supply of bullets... This supply will never dry up? Either way, if he shoots much, he's gonna be buying more bullets, whether 308 or 7mm, to replace the stash on the bench today. With the $200 saved, he can buy a fair pile of either.
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I've got Rem Model 7's in 308 and 260 Remington. I am looking for a 7mm-08. The 308 shoots MOA, but the 260 can only do 3-4" - I'm debating selling it or rebarreling it.
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Factory figures mean little to me..When I discuss cartridges I go by handloads and my chronograph..I want to know a calibers full potential, not what the bean counters claim, which is always a sack of murchandising.
The .308 is the more powerful in this case and that is a fact, but the difference isn't enough that I'm concerned about it and certainly not going to argue about anything as trivial as that.
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If they were the same price I'd go .308 just because I like it. For $200 less, I'd go 7-08.
....worse case at $200 less....you've made up half the cost (approx) of having a custom .308 tube put on it!
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We can cuss and discuss this subject from now on but the bottom line is the .308 is a more powerful cartridge than the 7-08, thats the way it works just like the 300s are more powerful than the 308s...
The question that should concern you is do you need the extra power of the .308, certainly not for deer, but I would prefer it for elk..Is the recoil a factor with you, if so then the 7-08 is a better choice.
I personally would opt for the extra power of the .308, but thats my personal option, as I believe the .308 to be one of the best designed cartridges out there today.. Dang it, Clair Rees is at it again! Stick to shooting jackrabbits! MtnHtr
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For the brushy deer hunting you are looking to do I'd say go with the rifle that you like best and fits you well. Certainly the mod 7 for that price is nice and either cartridge will work very well for your intended purpose.
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That's why I chose as close to a straight across comparison as I could. If Remington inflates one, they're gonna inflate the other. Pretty fair comparison that way, rather than picking and choosing handloads or different company's ammo.
Regardless, if you want to compare handloads, fill up a case of each (in your original post, you compare a 308 to a 30 caliber magnum, bigger case, more powder; in the this scenario, same parent case, same basic capacity), load a bullet, go chronograph it, and run the ballistics. And remember, you don't kill stuff at the muzzle (your Africa charges not withstanding). Look at the remaining velocity and energy downrange, where a deer is going to be standing, and tell me that the bullet with better ballistic coefficient (in this case the 7mm-8) isn't going to start outrunning the other one before it gets to the deer.
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The .308! 'Cause I said so!
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rem shooter,
Bullet sectional density also affects penetration into a game animal.
If it's important to you. In order to get the same sectional density that a 7mm 140 grain bullet has, a .308 bullet weighs in about 165 plus grains. i.e. more recoil with a 308Win for the same penetration with the 7mm shooting a large animal.
rem shooter.My opinion, if any one cares, is get the used Model 7 in 7mm-08 and use the $200 towards getting as good a scope as you can for it.
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The nice thing about pairing a 7-08 with the 30-06 is they both use the same powders (H4350 is ideal). The nice thing about pairing a 308 with the 30-06 is they both share the same bullets (but different powders). From a practical standpoint, Elmer Keith wannabes aside, what the 308 will do the 7-08 will do equally well (and vice-versa).
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If it were me (and I love my 260's and 308's) I'd save the 200 bucks and and buy the 7-08. Here's my scientific highly "Fact" oriented statistically loaded argument. I've killed plenty of critters with a 260 and a 308 and .284 is right between .264 and .308. So I know if you can SHOOT, a 7-08 will git-r-done. Take that extra 200 bucks and put it towards a Loopy VXII 2-7x33 with the LR Duplex, and slay forth... And your -06 will start gathering dust... I take mine out once in a while just to remember what its like to pack a heavy pig of a rifle around
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rem shooter,
Bullet sectional density also affects penetration into a game animal.
If it's important to you. In order to get the same sectional density that a 7mm 140 grain bullet has, a .308 bullet weighs in about 165 plus grains. i.e. more recoil with a 308Win for the same penetration with the 7mm shooting a large animal.
rem shooter.My opinion, if any one cares, is get the used Model 7 in 7mm-08 and use the $200 towards getting as good a scope as you can for it. theres something about frontal area thats nice, i believe JJHACK has said the very same thing
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I have both and you can't really tell the 7-08 kicks any less. Both are great rounds, but I liked the 150 grain federal load in the 7-08 which is so close to the 308. Get the 308. Cheaper shells (milsurplus too), more bullets choice for handloader, bigget bullets too, and I think Round Nose 180s make fantastic close range deer whackers.
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Do you feel a recoil difference between 308Win and 7mm-08 with 150 grain bullets?
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Get the 308. You will then need fewer brands of bullets if you reload. Also, the 308 may be inherently more accurate and easier to find a good load for. I've had 3 7mm08's and have sold them all and now have a 308 and don't regret it a bit.
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