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Originally Posted by Lee24
A shot with a .22 Hornet or .260 Remington might be unethical, whereas the same shot with a .30-06 or .338 might not.

I have owned a .260 Rem, 6.5x55 and 6.5x54.

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Most of the posters here have confidence in their various 6.5s, but no experience in shooting elk or moose with them. Some brought up Sweden, which is why I replied that the .30-06 is more popular there, with the .308 close behind. If the closets weren't full of 6.5x55s, there wouldn't be any more of them bought new there than there are here.



Lee,

See this is the problem I'm having with you at this point. You are just not being consistent in your approach. In previous posts (above) you claim to have taken animals larger than a bull elk with both 30-06 and .22lr but you just told me that using a hornet or .260 is probably unethical. So, basically you need to choose which side of the fence you want to be on. Otherwise, your interjections are moot.

I know the history of 6.5's in sweeden and the '06 here in the U.S. Your point about them is irrelevant to this topic.

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Most of the posters here have confidence in their various 6.5s, but no experience in shooting elk or moose with them. Some brought up Sweden, which is why I replied that the .30-06 is more popular there, with the .308 close behind.

Actually, while the .30-06 leads with the 6.5mmx55 a close second, the .308 Win is a distant 3rd, not �close behind� as you claim. Unless you consider about 50% as �close�.

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If the closets weren't full of 6.5x55s, there wouldn't be any more of them bought new there than there are here.


Your argument is a red herring and irrelevant. The fact is the 6.5mmx55 continues to be very popular. And it works very well on Swedish moose, as the statistics clearly show.

Hey - aren't you the guy that claims to have invented the Internet, designed the Space Shuttle, and engineered green grass and blue skies or some such? I think SU35 has you pegged pretty well.


I bet his perfect rifle for elk hunting would be a South Carolina stamped, Mod. 70 chambered in .375.....................


With peepsights and a LOT of practice for dead away dark stuff elk it is hard to beat.

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Originally Posted by Kelk
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Originally Posted by Lee24


CLB,
Most of the posters here have confidence in their various 6.5s, but no experience in shooting elk or moose with them. Some brought up Sweden, which is why I replied that the .30-06 is more popular there, with the .308 close behind.

Actually, while the .30-06 leads with the 6.5mmx55 a close second, the .308 Win is a distant 3rd, not �close behind� as you claim. Unless you consider about 50% as �close�.

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If the closets weren't full of 6.5x55s, there wouldn't be any more of them bought new there than there are here.


Your argument is a red herring and irrelevant. The fact is the 6.5mmx55 continues to be very popular. And it works very well on Swedish moose, as the statistics clearly show.

Hey - aren't you the guy that claims to have invented the Internet, designed the Space Shuttle, and engineered green grass and blue skies or some such? I think SU35 has you pegged pretty well.


I bet his perfect rifle for elk hunting would be a South Carolina stamped, Mod. 70 chambered in .375.....................


With peepsights and a LOT of practice for dead away dark stuff elk it is hard to beat.

Wayne
Wayne, you are probably right on the money with that. However in Lee's case, this rifle don't exist.........


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This is Internet Elk Hunting,isn't it? grinThe most Elk killed by one man that I know of(my Neighbor) was done with a 25-06 and Noslers..The second best number, for those who count, was with a .270 Winchester and 130 Noslers,one man again.

It is all about hunting and shot placement plus a good boolit not caliber..Just common sense and knowing when to pull the trigger and when not!

Course I live in Central Ideeho so I am not up on this flat land Elk stuff. grin grin

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CLB, you just seem to want to argue, but can't follow my points about the 6.5x55 being used by only a minority of hunters in Sweden.

I grew up ranching. I have had to put down a mad bull with what I had on hand, a .22LR. One shot between the eyes. I wasn't worried about ethics then, and it wouldn't have been my first choice. I have seen deer killed cleanly with a .22 Hornet, and have killed deer cleanly with a .223. I am sure that, with enough skill, short distance, and luck, a elk could be killed quickly with one, too, but that doesn't make them elk rifles.


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Somehow I just knew you were going to say you killed a cow, er "mad bull" by shooting it between the eyes.

Like that is relevant to this post.

And what does ethics have to do with it. That's the way they've been doing it for a long time now.

A mad bull,,, was it mad at you or did it have rabies and was attacking you?

btw, what unit did you draw for here in Washington?




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SU, You gonna go on another rattlesnake roundup, I mean bear hunt this spring? That was probably one of the best hunt stories I've ever read, and was wondering if Round 2 is going to happen.

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That was a really cool story.

SU35, we're putting in for Hells Canyon spike elk tags this year. Weather permitting, I plan on at least a night or two backpacking into the canyon- a spike camp off our main camp, which will be at the edge of the wilderness area. None of us can afford a drop camp this year.

We'll be south of where you were. Hopefully south of the rattlesnakes <g>.

I won't be carrying a .260 <g>. Which is a decent illustration of these things from my perspective at least. Lots of cross-canyon longer shots in Hells Canyon, I'm told. IIRC, your bear was around 500 yards, right? Anyway... I'll bring the .338, set up for longer range with the 225-gn Accubond, and my Kimber .325. If I'm going to shoot an elk at 300+ yards, I want something that really delivers the mail, as they say.



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Loc: Odessa TX just got back this evening from northern New Mexico and shot an elk at a lased 502 yds with my 6.5 creedmoor loaded with 120 gr tsx's. The bullet's passed through the chest cavity, no problem. Left a HUGE blood trail. Exit wound about the size of a golf ball. first shot dropped her in her tracks(right behind front shoulders) then, she pushed herself with her back legs about 10-15 yds. shot i squeezed another round off the hit her directly above the shoulder in the spine. her head dropped and she stopped moving for a couple of seconds then, she picked her head up and put a round behind the ear and that was all she wrote!. nice cow elk approx. 685lbs. the 6.5 creed has plenty of power for elk. shot placement is key as with any cartridge.

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That's 502 yds........good shot, adequate killing power. A stretch, probably for the ctg, but it worked, so I say at more common ranges........GTG

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Lonny,

No round two this year and I'm done with snakes and Hells canyon. grin

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nice cow elk approx. 685lbs. the 6.5 creed has plenty of power for elk. shot placement is key as with any cartridge.


6.5BR I saw a picture of this elk that he killed over at SH. It was a calf that went no more than 250 lbs.

If I remember correctly he was from Texas and he Texasized it.
If you know what I mean.


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This thread cracks me up. Think a 54 cal roundball has a chance against these modern age elkies? Going to give it 7 days in Sept trying to find out.

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Wow 685 lb "approx" cow elk. The Texan might want to take "approximately" 200 lbs off his estimate. And he head shot her with his third, presumably hurried, shot at 502. Hmmmmm.


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Exbio,

Check out this picture of the 685 lb elk from the site.
I say a generous 250 lbs and no more.


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TFF!!!

SU35 shoots bigger bodied muledeer bucks than that little bugger...


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Originally Posted by Lee24
CLB, you just seem to want to argue, but can't follow my points about the 6.5x55 being used by only a minority of hunters in Sweden.

I grew up ranching. I have had to put down a mad bull with what I had on hand, a .22LR. One shot between the eyes. I wasn't worried about ethics then, and it wouldn't have been my first choice. I have seen deer killed cleanly with a .22 Hornet, and have killed deer cleanly with a .223. I am sure that, with enough skill, short distance, and luck, a elk could be killed quickly with one, too, but that doesn't make them elk rifles.



Yep, that's been exactly my experience too. I think the 6.5 is as deadly as it is because the recoil is so mild that the shooter instinctivly places his shot correctly instead of yanking the trigger away from the sight picture.

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Originally Posted by Lee24
I grew up ranching. I have had to put down a mad bull with what I had on hand, a .22LR. One shot between the eyes.




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I bet your old man kicked your ass for 'killing' the bull. Classic Bullchit!

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Well that is an adult cow, not a calf, but she's got very thin front and rear quarters, exaggerated by her swollen gut (was she gut shot also, then left for an hour or two?). I'd say she above 250 which is typical for a largish calf, but below even my estimate without seeing her of 485. I'd put her at 400. She's very lightly built, but doesn't quite have the look of a yearling cow, just a dang small adult cow elk.
But that's just a scientific wild-ass guess.


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Originally Posted by Lee24
CLB, you just seem to want to argue, but can't follow my points about the 6.5x55 being used by only a minority of hunters in Sweden. ...


So you are claiming the second most popular moose cartridge in Sweden is used by �only a minority of hunters� when the .308 win you tout is used by half as many as the 6.5mmx55?

Must be the �new math� at work...

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Well, I guess your guess is as good as mine. grin

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