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Anyone happen to see Lee J. Hoots most recent abortion, I mean article regarding Mule Deer rifles? Guy is a complete [bleep] idiot! Says the .257 Roy shouldn't be used because it can't buck wind! Seriously, where'd they find this clown?
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Hoots obviously never shot a .257 Weatherby. Or, if he did, he surely was not paying attention.
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Sounds pretty much like a case of cranial anal submersion to me...<g>
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Between MV and Hoots my Wolfe has lost my subscriptions.
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Between MV and Hoots my Wolfe has lost my subscriptions. And losing JB was the absolute last straw. They lost my subscriptions after subscribing to Handloader, Rifle and Successful Hunter ... all from Issue Number One. I wasn't learning a blessed thing, so I saw no point in sending my hard-earned money to the few remaining folks at Wolfe Publishing. Steve
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Wow.
old Hoots seems intent on digging the hole ever deeper...
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I didn't see the article but I think he's wrong.
All things (shape and velocity) being equal, a 120 grain .257 beats a 130 grain .270 in wind bucking. And in .308 you have to go to 180 grain to beat the .257. All things are not equal because the Roy probably starts at higher velocity.
I suspect it doesn't make any difference this side of 500 yards anyway. If I had a Roy I'd use 100 grain bullets, probably.
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Says the .257 Roy shouldn't be used because it can't buck wind! I haven't seen the article either, I bailed out of Wolfe when John did. Did you notice, did Hoots say the .257 Roy was big enough for mule deer? Or would we have to go up to a .270???  Oops, no, that wouldn't work either would it?  Ingwe
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Here's his exact words:
"Though the .257 Weatherby Magnum is popular with hunters in the West, it's limited bullet selection and inability to buck the strong winds often found in mule deer country is a liability."
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Here's his exact words:
"Though the .257 Weatherby Magnum is popular with hunters in the West, it's limited bullet selection and inability to buck the strong winds often found in mule deer country is a liability." Hoots is a moron.
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I can understand Hoots making an argument for the 30/06 and 300 WSM as fine mule deer cartridges,but the logic used in excluding some other cartridges is a bit convoluted....
The 257 Roy and 25/06 are disqualified by "limited bullet selection" and "wind deflection". The 6.5's fall from favor due to limited availability of rifles and ammo.
The 270's are "easily bested",whatever that means,and by what exactly he does not say. I guess a few million dead mule deer since 1925 don't really count(it is funny in this country how we no longer pay ANY attention to historical precedent).
The short 7mm's are tossed out as not popular enough(mule deer object to being killed with unpopular cartridges, I guess); and the long magnum 7's come in rifles and receivers that are too heavy. They get the boot as well....
Leaving us with(drum roll)the 30/06 (popular and available, easy shooting, he says),and the 300 WSM (easily the best according to Hoots)because it allows more downrange energy,and a flatter trajectory than the 270(possibly),the 270 WSM and 7RM(my own drop tests to 500 say this is untrue).
I have no squawk with someone hawking his favorite cartridge,but the article is so loaded with half-truths and distortions that it has become one of my favorite outdoor literature satires.He could not have seriously meant what he wrote....
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Steve,
It really is a shame what happened at wolfe. I had those pubs for years. Do you or anyone else know of any other quality handloading publicatations?
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I am surprised no one has mentioned the obvious solution to Wolfe's problem- They should hire Lee24 as writer/editor/business manager/human resources director/publicity manager and computer guru- In less than a week, circulation would double, prices would halve and content would improve-
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I wasn't learning a blessed thing, so I saw no point in sending my hard-earned money to the few remaining folks at Wolfe Publishing. Steve: Right about the time they let JB go, I realized that I was learning more from him, you and several other pros right here on the 'Fire, than I was from the Wolfe publications, anyway. - Tom
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I am dropping my subscriptions to all three magazines too. I don't think you could go to far wrong in using any of the
calibers he suggested were inadequate as they are the best ones. I don't think all his dogs are barking!!
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I think I'll still take mine out with 110 Accubonds and pray that the wind doesn't blow.
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I am dropping my subscriptions to all three magazines too. I don't think you could go to far wrong in using any of the
calibers he suggested were inadequate as they are the best ones. I don't think all his dogs are barking!! I let my subscription(I had all three also) lapse not long before JB left Wolfe. Serendipity, I guess. BTW, I still like Elk's, 458Win's, and Pearce's work.
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I am almost starting to feel sorry for the guy......mmmm, not really. grin
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He must have been drunk when he wrote the article
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