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Couple of more questions. Except for the obvious(factory vs. case forming) is there any good reasons to pick a .257 over the 25 X 308 or vise versa? Yes! 257 Bob case is larger, therefore more powder capacity. Also, there is TONS of reloading data out there for the Bob.
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Those who have built .25-308s seem to have had an easy time working up good loads quickly.
I would build one on a 20-inch full stock short action Model 70 if I ran across the action.
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I own several short action Model 70s, but I don't want to tear them apart to build anything. I would rebarrel a .243 if I found one.
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I own several short action Model 70s, but I don't want to tear them apart to build anything. I would rebarrel a .243 if I found one. And awaaaaaay we go !
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I own several short action Model 70s, but I don't want to tear them apart to build anything. I would rebarrel a .243 if I found one. I don't believe that real short actions were built in Model 70 until FN started production. The rest were long actions with a wall set up to shorten the magazines. When were the "several" that you own built?
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There have been short-action Model 70's since the 1980's, even before the CRF action returned.
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Ah, ok... I guess I'm thinking "pre-64".
Thanks for taking me to school gentlemen!
..and I beg your pardon for the doubt there, Lee...
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"Ah, ok... I guess I'm thinking "pre-64"."
Not just pre-64. 64 to 84 also. I have a 22-250 push feed built the way you described the magazine block. I am in the process of converting it to a long action.
Everything you now do is something you have chosen to do. Some people don't want to believe that. But if you're over age twenty-one, your life is what you're making of it. To change your life, you need to change your priorities.
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My short action M70, a compact Classic .308, is now a .250AI with 22" Pac-nor barrel, all courtesy of the Free Classifieds.
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Jayhawk, go for it I love mine. Mine is built on an old Remington 722 action Hart bull barrel and stocked in a HS precision stock. It is the most accurate rifle I have ever owned. If you want I can put you in touch with the guy that put mine together. Really nice guy and likes to build .25 wildcats.
arky65
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Absolutely no doubt in my mind that one of the biggest pooch screws ever by gun makers was Win's choice to not do the 257 WSM...  And, even though the 325 WSM has done better than I originally expected. I do feel that if they'd of done the 338 WSM it'd of had more staying power and a higher piece of the pie chart. Dober Third biggest screw up was Remington not doing the 25-08 over the 260...
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Also, despite my love for the Roberts, it's not a true, modern, SA round that fits a 2.8" magazine with minimal bullet jump to the lands... just can't agree a Roberts is ideal in a SA even though it works...
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Ideal no... intermediate Mausers are their "ideal" home, but with a cartridge as ideal as the 257 Roberts is in and of itself regardless of action size, I am happy to take one just about wherever its chambered! I need another SR'98 action to build "The Ideal Ideal Bob"  . Now that I've got a name, I HAVE to build it, right?  Danged 'fire keeps costing me more and more money...
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Third biggest screw up was Remington not doing the 25-08 over the 260...
I'd agree, Brad, 'cept I'd argue that it was Winchester who dropped the ball back in the 50's when they had the 25-08 in mind and changed at the last minute to .243. What a shame to have the 243 and the 260 when the 25-08 would do the job of both (and in an American, non-metric kind of way!).
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Winchester built short action Featherweights in post-1964 push feed actions, and later in CRF actions in the Featherweight Classic, Classic Compact, and in the last two years before shutdown, the Custom Shop Short Action. I have some of each.
I would like to find some of the push feed or CRFs to cannibalize and build a .25-308 and a .358 Win in a 20-inch or 21-inch full stock, but haven't made any effort to look for candidates. I wouldn't want to pay much, because I would be tossing away the stocks and barrels, anyway. If I do these, they are more likely to end up in a Remington 700 SA, Model 7, or a Yugo 24/47 Mauser action with a butterknife bolt handle.
A Ruger No.1-A in .25 Souper would be a nice deer rifle.
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