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Holy Smokes,this Thread is a treasure trove of condensed info.
Too bad some of the words were too big,for Montanan comprehension levels......................... Montanan's don't need explanations of the obvious; maybe 'crackers do..........LOL MM
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Thanls for putting the pictures up, WGM. And also Steelhead for his contribution. Good stuff.
Have an A1 Day!
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MM,
Anytime you feel brazen enough to banty the rifle,give it a whirl toots................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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WTF?
Methinks you misunderstand.........I'm all for turrets (& put the 1st set on a gun 15 years ago before they became in vogue here), I just don't think their use is so complicated as to require pictorial and detailed explanations as to how to use them.
Them that needs that kind of tutoring maybe should rethink the plan.
Obviously you seem to know their value............
MM
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A pic is worth 1000 words and a condensed Tutorial is a shove in the right direction.
Someone screws that up,they are beyond hope................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Someone screws that up,they are beyond hope................
Sad, but true. MM
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WTF?
Methinks you misunderstand.........I'm all for turrets (& put the 1st set on a gun 15 years ago before they became in vogue here), I just don't think their use is so complicated as to require pictorial and detailed explanations as to how to use them.
Them that needs that kind of tutoring maybe should rethink the plan.
Obviously you seem to know their value............
MM I'm sittin' here thinking "I wonder how MontanaMan gets his scope dialed back to zero after he spins his elevation turret a few times, but is not quite sure how many times?"
Have an A1 Day!
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Obviously, you've not done it or you wouldn't be wondering.................
Window licking will only get you so far.
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Shane, That's a nice program & is more complete than the one I've been using. Thanks for posting. MM
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BS/PWC(same guy I'm assuming)/Others, new to this so bear with me. Any 'ol ballistic calculator work OK?
Getting ready to do this on my varmint AR that has a scope w/ target turrets....wanting to do it right...
Last edited by hunt_ak; 11/07/09.
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the JBM Ballistics web site it pretty decent. http://www.jbmballistics.com/calculations/calculations.htmli first take a guess as to MV and input everything else as accurately as possible. print out a range card and go to the range. then record how many MOA/mils it takes to get to the distant targets. then you can go back to JBM and tweak the MV input until it exactly matches your real life bullet drops. then you print out the final range card and laminate it/ tape it to your stock.
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First and foremost, get a chrony and the rest comes real easy.
You can spend between $100.00-$200.00 and take all the guessing right out of the equation.
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got one. but i trust the bullet drop data more than the chronograph the quickload output entered into quicktarget or JBM gets one in the ball park. that's all a chronograph will do. but no matter what you use for initial JBM input, it WILL need tweaked to match your real life bullet drop. and it is still so easy a caveman can do it.
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I said start.....Not the finish.........(grin)
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The cavemen I hang out with get their bullet drop data from shooting and recording. (o course using the tables for a guide to get started) But nothing is better than actually firing and keeping a data book. Nonetheless I lean on exbal and use a chronograph and finally do the data book. I know you guys already know this, sorry for insulting y'alls intelligence.
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The cavemen I hang out with get their bullet drop data from shooting and recording. (o course using the tables for a guide to get started) But nothing is better than actually firing and keeping a data book. Nonetheless I lean on exbal and use a chronograph and finally do the data book. I know you guys already know this, sorry for insulting y'alls intelligence. +1 you owe it to the critter to practise at all the ranges on your drop chart and not let a calculator from GOD do it for you. Sure you go through a lot of bullets and spend days doing it but there is no short cut that works, period.
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totally agree. the real recorded bullet drop is the gospel. making the JBM match your REAL bullet drop is the trick. that is where the tweaking comes in.
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God and gospel that's pretty good there toad. Your a clever fella! Have agood day LOL
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Wow. What happened to the civil person in the first post here, back in '03?
If he still acted like that, and put out info in that manner, there'd be a whole lot less animosity and divisiveness around here.
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