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Something to consider:
It's the whizz bang, highly educated, very bright folks who got the county into this mess.
Palin stands head and shoulders above the current crop politicians at all levels of government, as far as being honest person. What this country needs is someone with innate leadership skills. We are so used to voting for the lessor of two gross evils we are not able to recognise a good person.
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Originally Posted by DixieFreedomz
Good sir...

But it is not elitist to be pickled in Jeffersonian thought! It is not elitist to give a quote from Burke or Madison or Patrick Henry. Every American should be fairly conversant in/with the Federalist Papers and States Rights and the ideology of ordered liberty. That is not elitist.

The fact is; the right wing pundits have dumbed us down.
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Originally Posted by nemesis
some glib intellectual is going to be the right leader for this country..


Seriously, the glib intellectuals are the Marxists coming out of Harvard. I hear what you are driving at but for Pete's sake, we have some substantial ammunition on OUR side that is persuasive to the man in the street. Firstly the Declaration of Independence for starts.

We can win this fight I am thinking, but we have to do better.


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Personally, I think Sara Palin's appeal is exactly what you guy's seem to dislike about her.
I don't dislike anything about her as a person. Neither am I looking for intellectualism, in fact just the opposite. We have been overrun with so-called intellectuals whose seemingly lofty ideas and ideals are just so much bovine defecation wrapped in the pretty paper of bombast.

A president or any leader has to be an effective communicator. Palin still has a lot to learn about that. I think she may be gunshy after her ordeals with the moron liberals of the once mainstream media, but was hoping she had done a study on her flaws in that area and was ready to take on the obvious excesses of the Obamanation and the putrid stench of DC. If she is, she does not inspire or even convince me in that regard.

A post like this is nothing I ever hoped to make.


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Originally Posted by arkypete
Something to consider:
It's the whizz bang, highly educated, very bright folks who got the county into this mess.
BS. It was leftists that got us into this mess. Leftists like Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, for example. We need a Ronald Reagan, a deeply principles Americanist conservative, to pull us out of this mess. He was no wizz bang ivory tower intellectual, but he was saturated to his core with the Founding Fathers and our founding documents, the products of authentic intellect.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
We need a Ronald Reagan to pull us out of this mess.

I'd prefer a Theodore Roosevelt!

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Originally Posted by DixieFreedomz
You know me better than that Mr. Mannlicher. I appreciate anyone who defends Palin because I detest her detractors so intensely, so I am not going to fist-fight anyone who takes up for her. I love the woman. I am just being blunt. And I am not typical... that is for certain.


my point was, and is, that I did NOT see any review posted by you, of books written by the opposition. You dismiss out of hand Palin, because you don't like her book.

Ok, but there is no scenario I can think of where her views or abilities would not be head and shoulders above what inhabits the White House at this time.

Most libertarians will never have an electable candidate they can embrace. No one is ever pure enough for them.


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It doesn't take an intellectual mind to know when somethings are just the wrong thing to do, nor to recognize when things are FUBAR.

We all seem to appreciate common sense and no bullshitt but oft times when folks get it from less than 'educated' (didn't say intelligent) individuals people a quick to point it out. Lots of things ain't rocket science and the key to any good leader is assembling the RIGHT people around you.

A leader doesn't need to be the most educated/intellectual person in the room they need to look at big picture stuff and be able cut through the bullshitt.

Lots of folks voting for a 'leader' that haven't the first [bleep] clue what a leader is. Therein lies the rub.


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Originally Posted by arkypete
What this country needs is someone with innate leadership skills.


I agree.



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We need a Ronald Reagan to pull us out of this mess.

I'd prefer a Theodore Roosevelt!
The last thing we need is another progressive at this point. If you liked Teddy, you'll love Hillary Clinton. No thinks.

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Originally Posted by DixieFreedomz
Good sir...

But it is not elitist to be pickled in Jeffersonian thought! It is not elitist to give a quote from Burke or Madison or Patrick Henry. Every American should be fairly conversant in/with the Federalist Papers and States Rights and the ideology of ordered liberty. That is not elitist.

The fact is; the right wing pundits have dumbed us down.


I don't feel that the pundits have dumbed us down. I think that they have dumbed down their shows to reach more and more market share. Sean Hannity is the perfect example of that. The man runs a dating service on his website and expects to be treated as an intellectual conservative. The younger generations don't have a sense of history and they are not being taught much of it in school nowadays.



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Originally Posted by Steelhead


A leader doesn't need to be the most educated/intellectual person in the room they need to look at big picture stuff and be able cut through the bullshitt.



I agree completely. The big picture is the constitution and the Declaration. A home school kid can get the argument down, it don't take college. George Washington had no college. But read some of his writings. He had thought through the big picture. He had gravitas.



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Originally Posted by vapodog
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
We need a Ronald Reagan to pull us out of this mess.

I'd prefer a Theodore Roosevelt!


Actually T.R. was one of the first Progressives. Which we can do without, thank you very much.

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Originally Posted by Mannlicher

You dismiss out of hand Palin, because you don't like her book.



No, not at all. I have defended her at every turn. She is the ONLY reason I voted for the McCain ticket. I love Palin. I take her seriously, but this has been incubating in my mind for a while.

Her communist opposition is so low life, so foul, so wicked, so completely devoid of any hint of goodness that I have simply come to the conclusion we need a fighter of a rougher hue.

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Originally Posted by amax155
I don't feel that the pundits have dumbed us down. I think that they have dumbed down their shows to reach more and more market share. Sean Hannity is the perfect example of that. The man runs a dating service on his website and expects to be treated as an intellectual conservative. The younger generations don't have a sense of history and they are not being taught much of it in school nowadays.
Absolutely, with few exceptions that's very true. Pretty much only the honors level classes are even open to learning anything of substance anymore. Most kids are conditioned by the MSM to believe it's all BS, so have a mental block when it comes to anything of substance.

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my point was, and is, that I did NOT see any review posted by you, of books written by the opposition. You dismiss out of hand Palin, because you don't like her book.
I don't follow your line of reasoning. It might have some validity if idiots like Biden or Obamanation were being praised. They most certainly are not. I don't need to read their books, though I have read some of Obama's to the saturation of a healthy stomach, to know they are lying, wrongheaded, liberals of the manner I personally hate to have anywhere around a leadership position of any manner.


We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?

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Originally Posted by DixieFreedomz
Originally Posted by Steelhead


A leader doesn't need to be the most educated/intellectual person in the room they need to look at big picture stuff and be able cut through the bullshitt.



I agree completely. The big picture is the constitution and the Declaration. A home school kid can get the argument down, it don't take college. George Washington had no college. But read some of his writings. He had thought through the big picture. He had gravitas.

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We need a Ronald Reagan
Reagan was OK but way overstated. He overspent, was involved in as much of your so-called empire building as any president, and paved the way for the growth of fundamental islam jihad by not avenging the death of our Marines in Lebanon. He was personable, likable by all, and a breath of fresh air after his predecessors, but far from an ideal conservative leader.


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I haven't read Palin's book yet, but watching her on TV has been very disappointing. She is still not ready for prime time. Still does not seem to be comfortable to say what needs to be said and leave it at that. She meanders in answering a question, either from trying to be coy and sound intelligent in her answer, or because she cannot effectively communicate. I hate this as I loved the person I thought she was politically, but am coming to the realization that she is just a nice lady, with some good accomplishments, who got in way over her pretty head in national politics.


I think she has the right instincts; that is, though she is not an intellectual I believe that in the presidency she would act on conservative principles because that is what and who she is even though she may not be able to mount a coherent, intellectual apologetic for it. She has shown that in her AK record as far as I know.

I inherently will trust a true conservative over an intellectual whose stripes change as the grass does. Intellectualism has garnered a taint with the common folk I believe because it often is associated with an elitism and a paternalistic attitude. That is certainly not true of Mrs. Palin.

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I am open to changing my mind and hope she will.


We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?

Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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