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Aha.........so it was a criticism of Palin then huh?

Well that's what I kinda thought when I made my initial comments.

Wish you had just slammed her like you said instead of coming at it from that

"conservative woman" angle.

Although I don't agree with you, it certainly would have avoided a lot of confusion.

By the way, "wholesome and attractive, outdoorsy, mom's with conservative values" usually do "run their mouths with reckless abandon".........that's actually what makes a woman Sarah Palin unique in today's political arena.

As an alternative, I offer Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein et al.

Ya' know??

Have a nice Thanksiving Day.

Ahhh, yes. A man who recognizes things for what they are. Plenty to like about that!

I saw Palin on Hannity last night & I still like what she has to say.

And on O'Reilly and on Greta and they say the edited out portions of the perky one's interview were pretty good too.

And a year ago the the four best speeches of the whole campaign were as follows:
The first Ohio acceptance speech by Sarah Palin.
The second Convention acceptance speech by Sarah Palin.
The position paper speech on children with special needs by Sarah Palin.
The position paper speech on energy by Sarah Palin.
These last two were comprehensive, focused, in depth reviews of their respective problems and specifically, what to do about them. Obama, McCain, and Biden don�t even know what the word �focused� means.
The list goes on.

An honest assesment (the hot mess part), and a simple question.

No sugar coating or idol worship here, for any politicians.

I weigh her actions and results (personal and professional) over her words.


She will make millions on her words though (her book). American's love a good scandal.

I've never seen Shane say anything that wasn't true on this forum.

My wife stayed home with the kids the first 10+ years; I worked two jobs. It meant driving older cars, not putting money into our funky cabin in the woods, basically being poor and not playing the game...

I do consider it "conservative" to do so. Surprisingly, several of our "liberal" couple friends did the same thing, while most of my "conservative" couple friends chased the almighty dollar.

Shane's description of a "hot mess" is spot-on. This woman lacks a stiff core. She's not "the one" and will kill any ticket she's on.

DITTOS but who's listening?

Well now, at least we're on the same page.........whew!

I understand how you feel about Palin and I'm sure many others feel the same way.

That's what "makes the world go around" as they say.

I tell ya' though, it sure feels a lot better arguing with someone about who's the better conservative candidate out there than squabbling over how we can prevent the libs from taking more of our freedom away from us.......

Sarah Palin may, or may not be the answer........only time will tell.

But for now I consider her to be a "breath of fresh air" and that is something I think we can both agree is badly needed right now in the Republican Party.

Beck is smart enough to know what sells; he is in business. I hate that fluff too, but if I want good solid Conservatism I'll read Richard Weaver not Beck.

Palin is a shameless populist; not anything like an intellectual. Sorry guys, but by now you ought to have known better than to expect what you describe above.

She is a great lady and certainly a smart politician and far better than Hussein (that really ought to go w/out saying), but she ain't going to lead the Republican Party to anything other than 4 more years of our current President.

Please don't try to ride along on Shane's coat tails you miserable, low life, Obama voting, peckerhead!

You have the [bleep] audacity to come on here and make an assessment of Sarah Palin's qualifications after VOTING FOR OBAMA???

Palin may lack a "stiff core" as you say, but at least she has a core!!

Jeff_O (short for Obama) says:

"Listen to me folks, I am a wise beyond belief, I'll tell you about Sara Palin........."

Campfire member asks:

But you voted for Obama didn't you?"

Jeff_O(short for Obama) says:

"Yeah, but that was a mistake <sobbing hysterically>.

But trust me, I'm right this time about Palin........yup,................. I'm right about Palin.................hey is anyone listening to me ???"

JeffObama is a cogent argument against women's suffrage.

President Obama has a core too... it just happens to be one of anti-Capitalistic Socialism, which is the problem.

Your credibility regarding anything political, and particularly anything conservative is utterly ruined after voting for such a obvious Marxist black radical like the obamanation. He is the most significant threat and enemy United States may have ever faced. So are the mindless masses who conspired with him to usurp and denigrate the office of Presidency to propagate his goal of ruin to the greatest nation in the world.

RickyD,

Your partisanship, with it's attendant black-and-white tunnel vision, is duly noted.

Explain how mom staying home with the kids isn't the conservative thing to do.

I am not, and don't WANT to be, a "conservative" according to it's modern meaning. Y'all are demonstratably flat wrong about some very major things.

But that doesn't mean I haven't lived my life conservatively, in some notable and important ways. Also, according to what is right, I've taken some "liberal" positions.

If conservatism was all you think it is, we'd have a 1-party system. It ain't. And y'all ain't nearly so right about every-[bleep]-thing as you think you are.

My .02.

Which one would that be?

There isn't anything Conservative about Republicans, if that is the one party of which you speak...

So what the heck are you talking about?

Furthermore, there'd be nothing Conservative about a one party system because that which Conservatives are supposed to conserve is a strict understanding of the Constitution, which is in spirit opposed enough to the limits of the two party system, much less a one-party one...

I will, although it will not add anything to your lack of credibility regarding your vote for the Traitor in Chief. The fact that you insist on belaboring a trite and meaningless point only sends that credibility lower.

The concept of stay at home mom's is a traditional value, not a conservative value. Traditional values are those of morality. Those concepts so you hate and disdain to be placed in the political area, inseparable, though they are.

Conservative values are political. While the two are often complimentary, a woman assuming a demanding career in business or politics does not insure her children are either at risk or will suffer accordingly. Neither do they make her any less a conservative, though it does move her into a non-traditional mother role. Not that such is necessarily bad. Many pull it off well and raise good productive children into responsible contribution adults. I'm sure you know some.

Indeed, the fact that Sarah Palin dismissed her cook as Gov of Alaska, preferring to cook for her own family, tells me she was making sure she was setting aside quality time to be a good mother and example for them. I'm sure that was only one way she made sure her duty as mother to her children was being performed intact. Otherwise, she and her husband, would not have allowed her involvement. They strike me as very much people whose family is higly important and will not be neglected.

Conservatism or politics aside, the fact that you joined the mindless masses in voting for a man with such huge negatives and critically disqualifying associations says more about you than anything else you could assert about any subject. This man is obviously (to many) a tremendously dangerous person to be in any aspect of governmental leadership, much less in the highest office in the land which would elevate him to potentially the most powerful man on earth, but you still helped get him there. And that destroys your credibility.

As for my partisanship, I have criticized both Bush and the revered Reagan on this forum. I call it as I see it, and seldom shy away from a fight when I believe I'm right, but try to quickly acknowledge when another has trumped my argument with better logic or facts, if I get back to see that post. Neither do I have any interest in one party but would embrace three or four.

In any regard, Happy Thanksgiving, Jeff. I truly hope it was a good one for you and your's.

I'm saying that if conservatism, as currently defined in our country, was so obviously and completely "right", then we'd have no need for other parties. There'd be nothing to debate!

But it isn't. Hell, conservatism as currently defined isn't even conservative in many ways. It's a bitches-brew of religious fundamentalism, a desire for a HUGE (but "conservative") government, and oft-spouted but rarely-honored platitudes about a free market. It's a mess.

It sure ain't compelling enough to make me ignore my pro-Choice beliefs, and my belief that government and religion should be strictly seperated, or to ingots the many affronts to personal freedom and responsibility that "conservatives" advocate.

I'll just keep saying it. Drop the Puritan BS, govern from a position of limited government (meaning, among other things, the end of the American "empire"), and be fiscally responsible and I'm THERE.

RickyD- thanks, you too!

Actually I'm sitting here 6 hours from home, running a 102 fever, and feeling like I got hit by a truck. I've had a cup of coffee and and about 30 Cheerios to eat today, and they aren't sitting well. I feel about 80 years old and I'm guessing this isn't headed anywhere good. Bleah. But the kids are having fun with grandma and that's what counts.

Guess I won't gain any weight this year... grin...

My guess is that it's just some of that rotten, liberal-azz, Obama schit boiling out of you.

Why don't just kick back and read one of your Rosie O'Donnel or Michael Moore's books again..........I'm sure that will make you feel better.

Not that I really give a schit, but running your dumbass mouth off on the Fire and getting your azz kicked for it dosen't seem to be helping much!

I'm sorry to hear that for you. I wish no one on this site illness or discomfort. I will pray for your healing and your enlightenment. to the latter.