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Green Horn you said it all. How true. Thx

Thankfully Wyoming isn't like Texas. Boy.. that would SUCK.

10 years ago in Wyoming I paid $100 to hunt a private ranch, that had about 40% BLM inside it's boundary - I saw a few other "trophy hunters" who had paid their fee too. Although there was a lot of goats there, there were just as many elsewhere. I shot a great goat another place (actually on BLM land) where nobody else was hunting.

Wyomings a damn big place and sometimes you transplants just can't grasp the largeness of it. The number of "ranches that depend on public land" is pretty small.
The so called quick check book of the nonresidents doesn't have near as much to do with the limited access to my land as the [bleep] locals that think they're doing me a favor by driving all over my place tearing the hell out of the grass and fences, do.
Matter of fact I haven't accepted anything more than the landownder coupon from hunters resident or not for anything from antelope to elk in several years.
So called outfitters offering mega bucks for leases close more private land access than anything. That and people coming in from out of state and buying a place just to exploit the weakness in the Landowner license regulations.
Tell the truth I'ld rather have a nonresident come hunt. First off they are generally polite in asking permission, second after they go home its not uncommon to get christmas cards or phone calls during the year. Contrast that with the typical rappy out of town that almost demands to be let on the place, can't even offer to buy a cup of coffee in town after the season, and most likely won't be seen again until the early morning hours of the first day when he's banging on the door thinking we're best friends.

You sound like one of those California folks who has just bought some land in Wyoming. You know damn well leases on
Public land are a rip off. You also know that you draw a big
stack of dollars every year for game damage. You draw dollars for predator damage. You cuss locals but its our permit fees that pay for all the money you well fare cowboys get. And you know very well you could not operate with out public lands. You also know posting Public Lands is illegal but you do it.
And by the way its about time you start paying your fair share of taxes. Don't poor mouth me oil and gas leases pipeline right aways wind mills all public expense. Hope you feel good when you wad those nonresdent checks in your pockets. I have been here 70 years from the Big Horn Country so don't BS me. I know who you are and I know of your KIND operation. You only post on these hunting forms to drum up hunters. I also know that you are from out of state.

Yes. Green Horn this is a trend here in Wyoming. We used have solid old ranch families. They would never take anything from anyone and respected their neighbors. They would not beg for a cup of coffee but would offer you one. This new out of state money mostly tax dodgers from big backers will take your money and leave you flat. Check these guys real close before you pay them. Charging people to hunt on Public Land is real bad, but they do it.

You don't know [bleep] from shinola about me or much of anything else. I don't run on federal leases. I do have one state section that I pay the lease on, plus the maintance of the thing. It's publicly accessable so dick heads such as your self can defowl the thing without anymore expenditure than the gas and beer it took you to get there.The rest of the 4000+ acres are deeded, and you might be surprised at how much taxes I pay both federal and state.
Now as to this bullshit about me being here to drum up business that's just false crap. Matter of fact I've turned away more requests to hunt here than I've accepted and any of those I accepted have not been asked one thing of not one thin dime. Pm Macrabbit , he's been here for a visit. I've also bent over backwards helping folks find places to hunt without expense to them thru pm's and emails sent here on this board.
I've also requested the game and fish to take my name off of the landowner list as I simply don't have the land nor animals to fill the requests and calls it brings.
As to the damage payments, What are you smokin? I've never recieved damage payments, regardlesss of the over 200 head of elk that really like the taste of alfalfa, and we won't get into what browsers such as deer and antelope can do to a field of wheat in the winter. So once again you don't know your head from your [bleep] , we cant' help you sort it out either cuz the stinch is the same from either end.
As to your slanderous crap about California. Go [bleep] yourself implant. I'm third generation here and a damn site closer to retirement than graduation.

Good story, but like I said I know you. I know people who know you. You are not the little nice guy you claim to be. And you never took a dime from the state. You Damn well your name is on the records.

Give it up dickhead you've already established yourself to the world as a liar that's been caught.
If you knew me then you wouldn't be going on with the lies that you are trying to put out here. You know neither me, my name nor anybody that does.
On the records? Absolutley I've turned in landowner coupons, but have never ever ever applied for OR recieved damage payments. But you'll not find out who I am that easy.Nice try tho.
Now crawl back to your little socialist hole.

Really?

If it's [bleep] easy and cheap why isn't everybody taking advantage of it?

I know certain ranchers abuse their leases but there's also alot who give a chit about the land and try to manage it properly.


You sound like a crybaby [bleep].

Its too early for beer and popcorn....but I have the day off....so WTH..

I'll go put a gather on some..

be right back!!!


Ingwe

cage fight!

Isn't Wyoming part of America, where private property owners have the right to let whomever they want on their property for whatever reason they want? And to exclude on the same grounds? Why don't you buy your own ranch to hunt on?

You are a true Welfare Cowboy. I told one of your hunting clients to use Public Lands. It scared the hell of you. You
are selling the game that belongs to the people of Wyoming
and you know it.
There were no "Goats" to speak of in the 1940 and 50s here in Wyoming. It was not the ranchers or flat land farmers that brought them back. In fact they fought the rentroduction of
these animals tooth and nail. After they were allowed to be paid for every animal taken from their lands and then pay them for the grass they ate. Even though these migratory animals may spend their lives on Public Lands. The land owners got the checks and still do. Plus, folks like you then sell the game to the highest bidder. Not a bad deal for you is it?
The Wyoming Game & Fish Dept. is not supported by the General fund. Those terrible resident hunters pay for it thru their fees to the state. The intrduction of game and its management
is paid for by these hunters and fisherman. Yes, you can call
me and others all kinds of names and "Bully" eneryone who points out your actions. But it is true, you are selling our
Game plain and simple. Your personal attacks are too nasty for posting on this forum. This will be my last post on this subject. I would ask forum members to contact their representives to complain about the "Land Locking" in Wyoming. The giant private hunting plantations owned by the people but only open to the Elite.
Red Cloud

Red Cloud you're are pitiful little bastard that is so burned up with jealousy and hate inside that you make blatantly false statements about people that cannot even be justified or rationalized against the truth.
Do you comport yourself this way in public or does the annonymity of the keyboard make you what you seem to be?
As I said before I don't charge anybody to hunt. With the exception of the occasional "outfitter" that comes around, and they generally leave because they don't want to pay 1/3 of the price they're getting for the hunt to me for a trespass fee.
There's no shortage of folks that have pm'ld me on this board asking about hunts and available licenses in this area, and my stock and trade answer is don't do it. The left over license thing is the biggest scam the game and fish pulls on people. There's a reason those licenses are leftover in most places, either there's nothing there to hunt or there's no place to hunt.
You can lecture me all you want about license fees and the funding of the game and fish.... I've got on my dresser at this very moment an antelope, deer and 2 elk licenses that weren't filled this year. I also have the lifetime conservation stamp and bird and fishing license.
You would be astonished at what the actual cost to private landowners of the " states" wildlife is. Take for instance this transplanted elk herd ,the game and fish chooses to mis manage. The cost to me in fencing materials alone close to 300 dollars a year,just in one 800 acre pasture, and that doesn't include the time it takes to put those fences back up, and the time it takes myself and the neighbors to sort cattle back out every few days. You wouldn't know dosquat about the 40 acres of alfalfa those elk ate flat this year after the rains came and the possibility of a second cutting camem,you've never seen it and never will. You probably don't even know how much trace mineral salt or feed supplement tubs a herd of elk can demolish over night. Let alone the haystacks they can damage.
You've also likely never seen the bald spots in wheat strips come spring time where the antelope and deer have pawed and grazed what was a fine stand of wheat in the fall into a peice of blow sand by spring.
But that's alright you go ahead making the kind of accusations you do, most people are smart enough to realize who and what you are.

I'll answer your questions.. yes, yes, and I don't need one.

Somebody doesn't need to pay a trespass fee to have a great Wyoming antelope hunt. Those who pay trespass fees are not doing it to help a landowner out, it's to exclude other hunters from hunting where they are.

..just the facts, although I know they are confusing to some

On your first trip out, it might be wise to go with the reduced price doe/fawn licenses. Those licneses cost so little , and the chances of blindly stumbling into cheap/free hunting on private land is way better than someone who's only interested in a trophy. This will also give you an opportunity to size the area up as to whether or not you're interested in returning.
I would also advise you to go in the last week of the season, most of the rappy's from town have mostly dissappeared, the landowners family and friends have all filled out and left, there's less crowding on both private and government lands and the experience is likely to be more rewwarding.

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Hey Sam, I wish the average guy was allowed to take advantage of the BLM leases...trouble is, the public is not allowed to. By regulation you HAVE to own and graze livestock on federal leases. Plus, the way the leases work, they never come up for competitive bid to the public either. The leasee has to give up their federal leases before it comes open. Then when it does, if you dont own livestock, you're not eligible.

Believe me, I wish that the welfare public lands grazing system would come to an end. Nothing would make me more happy than for conservation groups like the RMEF, MDF, WSF, etc. to be able to compete for federal grazing leases. The problem is, the system is broken, federal grazing fees are based on a completely out of date and ridiculous federal system that was developed in the 1960's. The grazing fees are the same NOW ($1.35/aum) as they were in the 1960's...and let me tell you thats a g-damn joke, at best.

Its always amusing to me that the typical public lands welfare rancher gets all worked up like they arent on the take from the taxpayer. The guys that I actually feel bad for are the ranchers that DONT have federal leases...they're not competing in a fair market at all. They have to pay several times the amount to lease similar private land, and then have to compete with and sell their cattle for the SAME price. How is that a "fair market"? One guy gets subsidized grazing while the other guy pays fair market value?

Want things to be "fair market" open up all federal leases to the highest bidder...period.

You'd hear howling from the welfare ranching crowd like never before...

That said, if a landowner wishes to lease or charge trespass fees to hunt deeded land, I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with charging trespass fees to access land locked public land. IMO, anyone that pays or charges should be restricted to using private land only. The public land should be off-limits to both the paying hunter and the holder of the federal lease if any money changes hands.

I don't have any federal leases, but I do know some that do, and have looked at buying ranches that did. On the surface yubecha them things look like they're way to cheap. But get into the details, like the aum's allowed, the cost to the leasee of the water etc, and just the amount of acres an outfit has to cover and the private leases start to look cheap. Then there's always the threat from some "conservation" group turning in for overgrazing etc. I know of one fella that got jerked by the chain because he was accused of overgrazing an allotment in the highcountry, well after a long court fight and his contention that he hadn't even turned out on that piece yet, he was able to provide the entire court with transportation to the allotment and lo and behold not a cow to be seen, but the meadows were smothered in elk.....
He now farms alflalfa down in the valley and doesn't care to look back.
Your absolutely right about the ag community not being able to compete in a fair market tho. We got prices for calves this past fall we hadn't got since the late 80's , unfortunately our expenses are fully Y2k compatable. Grain prices now are the same dollar amount as the 1960's. This economy keeps up and there won't be any more wondering about hunters for the hungry programs, hunters will be back to eating what they kill so they can keep food on the table.

Ranch13,

If federal leases werent a good deal...you'd think they would be given up on a regular basis by the leasee's. Not the case though...I wonder why?

Theres not a doubt one that federal leases are a good deal for those that have them. Increases their property value, cheaper than dirt for grazing rights, and of course some even charge trespass fees through small tracts of deeded to reach MY landlocked federal land.

Just some of the "good deals" allowed through the federal lands welfare ranching program.

Also, not everyone is Y2K compatable on expenses...just ask any rancher that leases federal lands how much more they're paying an AUM now than they did in the 1980's. If they tell you its more NOW they're lying ba$tards.

Not sure why ranchers without federal leases would stick up for those that do...mind-boggling.

Buzz if those guys let their federal leases go then what would they do? They could sell the cows and all the equipment, but the bank is going to take a chunk out of that, and the IRS is going to want their cut in Capitol gains tax. So after the cows are sold then what? The only thing left to make a living is either sell the deeded to some outofstate moneyed intrest, and hope to be able to lease it back , or just leave it and go to town and turn into someone like..... Either way the here comes the IRS with their hand out again...
Like I said you need to know the ins and outs of the whole deal before you can pass judgement , the lease paid to the BLM is cheap, but the expense that goes with it is high.I just paid 245 per gallon to have my bulk tanks filled, that's with the ag tax gone. With this global warming going on we're using about 10 gallons per day to feed. I'ld imagine that's a pitance compared to what some guy around Opal Pinedale or Ten Sleep is paying.
Yes we in ag need to stick together, its a matter of principle I suppose. Especially when it comes to helping get a bit of truth into false information being spread by those that don't know the first thing about the business they're talking about.
You guys that think it was bad when gas hit 5$, just wait till the Amercican Farmer is gone, wait until some off shore conglomarate controls the food price in this country.