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4000 fps with an 87???? Gibbs would love you!
The 257 Hawk gets a max of 3890 with a 75 and Fred says: "75gr. 257 Hawk load above was tested in a Ruger #1, 26" barrel, 15 shots averaged, probably a little too hot for a bolt action."
You Ackely ballistics are almost as inventive as old P.O. himself!
A contemporary quote:"The typical Ackley Improved case gives a modest increase in velocity over the parent case - as long as both are loaded to the same pressures. All one has to do is look at modern tested loading data to verify this - the latest Nosler manual has a number of Ackley cartridges, and the average increase in velocity is on the order of 100 fps. This is simple ballistic fact, not clouded by the rantings and hype of guys trying to sell a product. There is just not enough increase in the case capacity to make a big difference in velocity."
A 257 WB gets 3825 w/an 87 (and free bore) but you are whupping that with a smaller case? It's gonna hurt pulling that bolt outa your head if you keep running 90k psi loads!
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Well I hope your all happy, you just cost me some more money.
Put a deposit down on an SPS .257, now I've got to seriously think about a scope and I'm awfully tempted to order a McSwirly but think I'll hold off on doing that for now. cal, this crowd got to me too - just ordered an edge for my SPS Roy. The mcmillan classic it sits in now will be on the classifieds soon...
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You Ackely ballistics are almost as inventive as old P.O. himself!
A contemporary quote:"The typical Ackley Improved case gives a modest increase in velocity over the parent case - as long as both are loaded to the same pressures. All one has to do is look at modern tested loading data to verify this - the latest Nosler manual has a number of Ackley cartridges, and the average increase in velocity is on the order of 100 fps. This is simple ballistic fact, not clouded by the rantings and hype of guys trying to sell a product. There is just not enough increase in the case capacity to make a big difference in velocity."
Don't believe everything you read.
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Anybody got a line on a ss sps 257 roy? Were they a limited run or still available...I need one in a bad way.
Dropping one in a mickey (or even a b&c) with a good trigger and add a 4.5-14 VXIII or a 4-16 Monarch would be the jam.
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ya had me til the scope choice...
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Anybody got a line on a ss sps 257 roy? Were they a limited run or still available...I need one in a bad way.
Dropping one in a mickey (or even a b&c) with a good trigger and add a 4.5-14 VXIII or a 4-16 Monarch would be the jam.
PM Sent Kimberman, what' color is your Mickey?
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dvdegeorge, and what scope may i ask would you suggest to complete the package?
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Lassie-not knocking you but 3920 with a 25/06AI and 87's is really out there...either you're toting a 30" plus barrel and or a rubber mallet to pound the bolt open.. What length tube and what is your load data to get a 87 to 3920? And trust me when I say that I'm not the only one who's gonna call on this one. Thx Dober You just need to line up the conditions right... Move the sensors on your chronograph a little closer together, high elevation, and of course, the critical 500mph tailwind.
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dvdegeorge, and what scope may i ask would you suggest to complete the package? I'd opt for a VX III 3.5x10 or VX II 3x9 or fill in whatever manufacturer floats your boat...I'm just not keen on that much magnification an a hunting rig
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My vanguard has the Nikon coyote 4.5 X14 on it. I'm happy with it and the varmint reticle seems to be perfect for the 257 roy ballistics
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Anybody got a line on a ss sps 257 roy? Were they a limited run or still available...I need one in a bad way.
Dropping one in a mickey (or even a b&c) with a good trigger and add a 4.5-14 VXIII or a 4-16 Monarch would be the jam.
PM Sent Kimberman, what' color is your Mickey? Black. See below:
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has anyone here tried one of the remmy CDL-SF's in .257wby? still see quite a few of those on the auction sites.
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You all convinced me. I ordered a Krieger #2 to be finished at 26" and PM'd Redneck to have him put it all together for me. It is going to be a while until I see it though since the Krieger rep told me it would be 18 weeks until I see the barrel. I also ordered a Williams 1 piece TG from Matt so this build should be top-notch all the way around.
Now the hard part...waiting!
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Hopefully the Williams unit won't be delayed too many months after the barrel arrives..
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Are most here well satisfied with the Williams ADL trigger guards? Gonna need one for my 257 Edge switch...
Crap, just looked and see they don't do a stainless. Guess I'll have to cerakote the barreled action and the TG...
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Hopefully the Williams unit won't be delayed too many months after the barrel arrives.. Matt said yesterday that he was running "in the white" ones now and it would ship today. I've used several Williams ADL TGs on 700s and they are well worth the $. RH
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You all convinced me. I ordered a Krieger #2 to be finished at 26" and PM'd Redneck to have him put it all together for me. It is going to be a while until I see it though since the Krieger rep told me it would be 18 weeks until I see the barrel. I also ordered a Williams 1 piece TG from Matt so this build should be top-notch all the way around.
Now the hard part...waiting!
RH May already be too late but Lilja keeps SS #3 10" twist in stock. Lilja's run small contour wise and their #3's are about like some makers #2's......Best barrels on the market, IMO. X-VERMINATOR
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I saw a reference in this thread somewhere about 120-grain Partitions grouping less accurately than other bullets out of a Vanguard. Mine shoots them 3/4 in. consistently. It's my preferred hunting load for that rifle and has taken everything from coyotes, javelina and hogs to whitetail, pronghorn and mulies at distances from 20 yards to over 300. It shoots flat, hits hard and has never let me down.
The rifle is not a sub-MOA model, but obviously shoots MOA. My only modifications were an upgraded stock and a Timney trigger.
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Please stop posting crap in this forum for Pete's sake .
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Here's my POS BackCountry. Sucks shat. Group pictured is just a bit above average at 3575. Just shy of 8lbs.
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