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Curious what your favorite dose of H110 is for 44 Mag loads with the hardcast bullets in the 310gr weight. I ordered some of Oregon Trail 'True Shot' 310gr WFN GC to load for the SBH. Fairly impressive looking projectile. Anywho, I looked through the books and see anywhere from 20.5 to 22.5gr H110 for the various jacketed 300gr bullets. Ran some QL calcs and decided to start out at 20.5gr H110 for the 310s. Looks like it should generate somewhere in the area of 1150 fps, and 35K lbs-psi. So I loaded up 20 rounds with 20.5gr for a test drive, and to regulate the sights before putting the chrono in front of these. They were not bad as far as recoil. Here's a couple pics, ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/montanamarine/handguns/IMG_1996.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v461/montanamarine/handguns/IMG_1988.jpg)
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Wow...
I think wildswalker is driving something similar from his .45LC, IIRC.
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I use 21 grs.
Just make sure there is no layered leading with those bullets.
Light "frost" leading, with rifling still present, your golden.
By the looks of the end of your tube, you are.
Have fun!
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The receiving end of one of those, would be a VERY bad place to be.
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Yep!
The hole no surgeon could fix....
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Dude, that thing'd danged near put a terminal hole in a Deuce-and-a-Half...
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They get terminal at rifle speed....
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Look great! Any chrono info?
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Now that is what I call a hammer!!   Tom.
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I'm going to run some over the chrono real soon, probably tomorrow. Needed to make sure the sights were adjusted before blowing away the chrono...grin.
My old Ruger isn't the tightest thing, I'm curious myself to see what they are doing.
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I run 20.5 gr with the 325 gr LFNPB.
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I have seen that type of hard cast bullet used on Buffalo and Eland from a 44 Magnum (on one ocassion,) along with some plainsgame, I was not impressed with it on Buffalo but it sure worked well enough on the plainsgame and even the Eland went less than 200 yards..It, in effect, reminded me of using a flat nose solid in a rifle on plainsgame, it worked but wasn't very impressive..It took way too long for the buffalo to expire after 6 good solid hits. It always left a decent blood trail except on the buffalo which left less of a blood trail I might add..It was an interesting 10 days.
If I were to go hunt elk, that is the load I would use.
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That's the usual complaint about all of the hard cast SWC/wide flat point bullets. They penetrate lots, but don't kill very quickly.
I've never seen any need for the 300 gr. class stuff. The older 250 gr. stuff has a long record of penetrating plenty in any live target. Even the softer 240 gr. lead factory loads have long had this rep of plenty of penetration.
It is possible to get too little penetration with some of the lighter, faster hollow point juacket bullets I understand. E
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I suppose every bullet is a compromise of some sort. These look to me like they take the Elmer's design to the next level.
I'll use these loads for walkabout, when I don't feel like carrying a rifle. Should suffice for any critter that might mistake me for prey.
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They will go lengthwise through most anything you poke them at, and are totally predictable in their behavior from the muzzle out as far as you can hit with them. Not tracking means collecting some bone.
If you are a lung shooter, you will be tracking, but you will have a trail.
FWIW the lighter 250 Keith design usually penetrates on par with the heavy WFN at the same hardness, because it has less frontal area in the tissue path.
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The chrono says about 1200 fps at 20.5gr H110. That works for me. They all were between 1180 and 1210 fps at 15' from the muzzle.
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Curious what your favorite dose of H110 is for 44 Mag loads with the hardcast bullets in the 310gr weight. I ordered some of Oregon Trail 'True Shot' 310gr WFN GC to load for the SBH. Fairly impressive looking projectile. Anywho, I looked through the books and see anywhere from 20.5 to 22.5gr H110 for the various jacketed 300gr bullets. Ran some QL calcs and decided to start out at 20.5gr H110 for the 310s. Looks like it should generate somewhere in the area of 1150 fps, and 35K lbs-psi. So I loaded up 20 rounds with 20.5gr for a test drive, and to regulate the sights before putting the chrono in front of these. They were not bad as far as recoil. Here's a couple pics, This is a wide Meplat bullet and should do well in the wound channel department That's the usual complaint about all of the hard cast SWC/wide flat point bullets. They penetrate lots, but don't kill very quickly.
I've never seen any need for the 300 gr. class stuff. The older 250 gr. stuff has a long record of penetrating plenty in any live target. Even the softer 240 gr. lead factory loads have long had this rep of plenty of penetration.
It is possible to get too little penetration with some of the lighter, faster hollow point juacket bullets I understand. E That is the problem of some, not reconizing that a larger meplat bullet is vastly different in wound channel diameter. All hard cast flat points are not the same nor do they have the same effect on game Use a wide flat point (like in the photo above) and the outcome will be harmonious
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jwp475, I used a hardcast bullet in the 265 grain that looked somewhat like you have in that picture in my .44mag model 29. I have some 325 grian hardcast in my .444 from Beartooth Bullets that are awesome on biggame like moose or elk. I do like those large metplate bullets, they do penetrate deep and kill quickly when I do the shooting!
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In this photo there is no leg on this hog, because it just pulled off durring skining Those that think a proper flat point does little damage, have simply not used a proper flat point of between 72 to 80 percent of the bullets diameter ![[Linked Image]](http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d62/jwp475/WFN45CalWound.jpg)
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Guess my question is, will your sights regulate for that bullet? One of my favorite bullets for the .41 Magnum is the 255 grain CPBC WFNGC...problem is since most .41s are regulated with bullets of 210 grains so the 255s shoot WAY high at 25 yards from S&W and Ruger revolvers with the rear sight adjusted all the way down.
I mostly use the heavies in a Freedom Arms and a custom Gary Reeder Bilsey both of which have Freedom Arms front sight bases. Gary provided three gold bead front sights of different heights for his gun and I had Dave Clement make a Keith Long Range front sight regulated for heavy bullets.
Great looking bullet...Bob
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