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Granted, but why do they need everyone to pay for their ideals? If that noble, they could fund them themselves and spare the rest of us. But that isn't what its about....

They also turn out some very ill equipped children, those with no concept of money.

I'd wager a few who pay their taxes with a credit card

Would you deny the title of American to a liberal who went to war for this country?

Like John Kerry?
Bill Clinton as President?

Nope...

I'm not without reason, either.

Even though its my sole personal opinion (which I alluded to), I'm glad you don't allow my personal ability to bestow my own titles....

You ever been wronged by someone, someone who everyone thinks is "it"?

I've never understood what is noble about taking property, creating legislation, then getting a highway named after you.

If someone came up to you on the street, grabbed your wallet and took out money, what would your reaction be? Honestly.

These things matter.

All of us have folks we wouldn't give the time of day to, let alone put on an altar. I question the whole re-distribution idea, for it requires very little thought at all, which is why we are broke....

Well I don't equate all taxation to theft. We can open that can of worms but I fear that would be a hijack of this fine thread. Where I find Kerry's politics lousy at best, I believe he thinks himself compassionate and does not levy taxes as a form of thievery. Don't like his politics at all, but who am I to say he is not an American?

I'm sure many liberals would say giving one's taxes would be generous and compassionate, and to object to these is not the American way. To them I would make the same argument I do to you. It's politics and philosophy, none of it has to do with patriotism IMHO.

Oh yeah, throw Tom Harkin in the "Vet I don't respect" category....

He served. He thinks so much of his American title he lives in the Bahamas....

As an outsider (Australian) this thread has been rather fascinating. It's been a valuable insight into the psyche of parts of America. I read today that

"In particular, 67 per cent of Republicans believe Mr Obama is a socialist, 57 per cent believe he is a Muslim, 38 per cent say he �is doing many of the things that Hitler did�, and 24 per cent say �he may be the Antichrist�.

Would people here agree with these numbers?

Rath

I don't equate all taxation to theft either (there are historic ways the Fed operated before the IRS), but we have gotten to the point that these "Americans" have pressed their "patriotism" to the point that children not born are under a boot...

I'd like to know the basis for Kerry's compassion and generosity, both legal and historic, "precedence" if you will....

Kerry is awfully compassionate with funds not of his own, I do believe....

Their politics and philosophy are based on what?

Those numbers would be very, very conservative in my area of the country.

I'd hate to see his "Conservative" poll numbers....

If I will? I will not, it is not my belief that getting people addicted to the teet to be compassionate, I stressed that liberals do.

They do not accept "spreading the wealth" as anything but compassion, those are not my views, but theirs. However misguided I see those views to be, I don't hate liberals for them, or color them as un-American, only their political beliefs are.

What wealth?

Politics and beliefs are nothing if you have to force them or make others pay for them, despite your service or record. Voluntary contributions are different.

Political beliefs aside, "getting" or making people addicted so far as compassion, to me, is an un-American leap.

I know of a few WWII vets who have a hard time separating misguided political views from those who espoused them.

...and I know a few WWII vets (one a veteran of Guadalcanal) who politically align with Kerry, you think I'm going to call him un-American?.

You should call him utterly confused!

Note that his view of compassion is rooted in an entirely different realm as Kerry's or Barry's (I'll gladly throw Kerry under that bus).

Is the guy a Christian?

Betting he is.....

You know, I'm not sure. Once I learned he was an democrat voter I just let it go, I like the guy too much to argue politics with him. We have talked for hours about things other than politics. I met him doing some photo work for him, and we have struck up a good friendship, I don't want to muck it up over politics.

Dont know about that Muslim thing, appears to be lacking on the Christian side. For sure appears to be one sorry excuse for a President. However it appears that he may be reuniting the nation. But I am guessing he may not like the final outcome. Hitler also reunited, that was the world against him. GW

My father in law was at Pearl on Dec7, he too was a democrat from MN. Can disagree with his politics, but can't call him un-American.

I went to Church with a POW/Veteran of WWII. I worked with him at Church and at work. he was a mentor of great value and appreciation. Still is.

When you are a captive of your enemy, hate is a mild term.

I have gone the politics route with him....

The guy knew Reagan, since he was a broadcaster here and he hated him.

John was Democrat for many years, but the whole political spectrum of his Party changed into something totally different than what he associated with. He was a Union man of the old school.

Sadly, he is fighting for his life, as so many of that age are.

He is not and has never been a leftist liberal.

Might shock you, but I come from a line of Democrats from the past. The other half lost two farms and were abhorred by Roosevelt.

The both had their influences, but traditionally both were more for charity than for elected theft.

The other gentleman I know I met because of John. The guy was a photographer and had his own pictures of Dachau. I saw every one of them....And I listened to him.

Politics are fine and dandy, but giving up resources at penalty of law for distribution often ends in bad things, especially when bestowed on ivory tower dwellers and those with "European" ideas....

My father was a WWII vet and he was a democrat. From what I can figure out the dems were a lot different then than they are today.

Every democrat I know today is arrogant and completely ignorant of all current issues. Their only rebuttal is Bush was worse.

I guess arrogance votes for arrogance. Kind of reminds me of some of the arrogant libs here who will never admit their mistake.

That's all I have to say about this.

Your FIL, a Christian?

Again, he's not Kerry/Berry.....now was he?

We're talking 60 years ago...