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Originally Posted by BLG
[b]Jeff!!!!!!!! Please respond. You badger others to respond now respond to this.[/b]


I have a serious question for you Jeff. What good could possibly come from this legislation? Name one thing good about a bill that encompasses 1/6 of our economy being taken over by the govt. The amount of debt will be over the top. Most people can't even fathom a trillion dollars much less 10 trillion. This dem controlled govt. didn't represent the people on this, they represented themselves and an idealouge. This debate started off about taking back our country from tyrants as a direct result of this abominable bill. Defend it. I bet you can't.

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It takes something that was about 1/2 socialized and makes it about 3/4 socialized. Big whoop.

And, of course, there's the little detail that what we have now, if you follow the trend lines forward, literally bankrupts the country, too. Health costs are rising at an insane rate. It's not something that can continue. This was a real, big, problem. Obama isn't fixing something that ain't broke here. (Not that I think he really fixed anything, mind you).

My tax dollars are spent willy-nilly on something I don't agree with, which is a to say a HUGE, bloated military that is used to maintain a global hegenomy. Many here also feel that way. What's the difference? This health bill could be paid for and them some with cutting the military down to a reasonable size.


But this is all beside the point. So a politician makes a big program, and now we are all plus-one'ing on the concept of destrying our democracy over it at the barrel of a gun?

Guys.. I know you hate me, I don't really give a rip. So believe this as you will. I have two seperate "ready" guns, in two seperate places, well stocked with ammo and ready to roll. They are implements of war. Why do I have these things? Because I believe it's my duty as an American to defend this country, to defend freedom.

But for Pete's sake, "shooting the hippies" ain't it!!!!! Talking openly about killing people who differ politically, ain't it! Over a HEALTH BILL?!

Honestly, that very few here will come out and call Seafire's post what it is- [bleep]- shouldn't surprise me, but it does.


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I answered you question Jeff, that's all i'm saying in this thread.


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Newsflash... this is not gonn lower the expenses on anything. You havent seen insane rates of increase yet. Wake up!!

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Originally Posted by 17ACKLEYBEE


Really! Well tell you what bud I'll take the fly sheet and I'll let you take all of the elephant sheet. Starting to get the picture yet?



First, I'm not your bud.

Personally, I think your as full of schitt as most here because in one thread you talk about your anger with both parties only to see you defend the GOP in a following thread.

You've got a real hard on for me lately and if your looking for some fun, I'm more than willing to help you out.

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My tax dollars are spent willy-nilly on something I don't agree with, which is a to say a HUGE, bloated military that is used to maintain a global hegenomy. Many here also feel that way. What's the difference? This health bill could be paid for and them some with cutting the military down to a reasonable size.

You really can't be that clueless can you?


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Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Cole,

You were wrong about Seafire, got caught with your pants down and little tiny weenie wagging around, and now you are trying to cover your ass by calling names like a 4th grader. You go, girl. wink

When the right pisses me off, I don't publically post that if only I could, I'd shoot them down like dogs. If I did post that every single person here would be telling me how [bleep] up that was, that we don't settle political and lifestyle differences with murder. Since one of your own said it, in the context of a thread that's basically a schoolboy "let's play army" thread, the guy gets a pass from ya'll.

Well [bleep] THAT. And [bleep] any of you who think that your POLITICS (Jesus, this is stupid) are so damn right that you have the right to even talk about killing people over how long they wear their hair, what music they like, or who they voted for.

I know LOTS of "hippies". Every single one is a hard working tax paying AMERICAN. Some are my good friends. If my choice is to stand with them "come the revolution", or to stand with the right as evidenced by the crap on this thread, I'm standing with them. THEY believe in freedom. Some of ya'll believe in nothing more than what Stalin or Hitler believed- kill anyone who doesn't agree with my politics.

Here you go again, Cole. Do you stand for, or against, what Seafire said?

Originally Posted by Seafire

Sad fact is, the radical left ALL have big mouths and claim to represent more of the country than they actually do.

you can credit them to being politically well organized, and definitely controlling most of academia in this country...

but when push comes to shove they will find themselves being dramatically outnumbered...

and when running their big mouths, they should remember: they are anti gun, and they are anti violence...

on the other hand, we as their opponents are heavily PRO gun, and we are NOT anti violent, when our nation is pissed on enough by their types...

personally I look no difference upon a big blood stain on the ground between the remains of a ponytail and a pair of Birkenstocks, than I look at a big blood stain between the remains of a prairie dogs head and the remains of a pair of prairie dog feet...

I look at both as varmints and pests..

there is a law against me shooting one, and there isn't a law against me shooting the other....

and if there is a revolution in this nation, then all of a sudden there is no law enforceable shooting either pest..

Anything that undermines my nation is a varmint, and deserves to be treated as such... that is the way I see it..


Where is Seafire advocating violence? I didn't see anywhere he said he was going to go out and kill anybody.

Again PP, I read the post in its entirety when he put it up, how exactly did I get caught with my pants down? I've read your words many times about what you'd do to certain folks here, given the chance. I just take it with a grain of salt and consider the big-mouthed, hummingbird asssed source rather than getting all upset about it. Then again I am not suffering from MPH syndrome like you are.

Now you have put it out in the open that you are a Communist and would stand with America's enemies if push comes to shove. This is not anything surprising to most of us, but I'm sure it will be eye-opening to some of the people here. You are condemned by your own words.

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This is probably better dealt with on a different thread, but as a general question...

The government spends "our" money on all kinds of things that many of us don't like.

How is this health bill any different?


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My tax dollars are spent willy-nilly on something I don't agree with, which is a to say a HUGE, bloated military that is used to maintain a global hegenomy. Many here also feel that way. What's the difference? This health bill could be paid for and them some with cutting the military down to a reasonable size.

You really can't be that clueless can you?


He really is that clueless. A commie who is talking about standing with his own against people who are 100% pro-American and who thinks that sacrificing national defense in order to give free medical care to hardcore drug addicts, illegals and freeloaders is a good idea.

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You aren't a disingenious idiot, but you sure are acting like one.

Done doing this dance. What Seafire said is plain as day. You lack balls, ColeYounger.

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Cole,

You were wrong about Seafire, got caught with your pants down and little tiny weenie wagging around, and now you are trying to cover your ass by calling names like a 4th grader. You go, girl. wink

When the right pisses me off, I don't publically post that if only I could, I'd shoot them down like dogs. If I did post that every single person here would be telling me how [bleep] up that was, that we don't settle political and lifestyle differences with murder. Since one of your own said it, in the context of a thread that's basically a schoolboy "let's play army" thread, the guy gets a pass from ya'll.

Well [bleep] THAT. And [bleep] any of you who think that your POLITICS (Jesus, this is stupid) are so damn right that you have the right to even talk about killing people over how long they wear their hair, what music they like, or who they voted for.

I know LOTS of "hippies". Every single one is a hard working tax paying AMERICAN. Some are my good friends. If my choice is to stand with them "come the revolution", or to stand with the right as evidenced by the crap on this thread, I'm standing with them. THEY believe in freedom. Some of ya'll believe in nothing more than what Stalin or Hitler believed- kill anyone who doesn't agree with my politics.

Here you go again, Cole. Do you stand for, or against, what Seafire said?

Originally Posted by Seafire

Sad fact is, the radical left ALL have big mouths and claim to represent more of the country than they actually do.

you can credit them to being politically well organized, and definitely controlling most of academia in this country...

but when push comes to shove they will find themselves being dramatically outnumbered...

and when running their big mouths, they should remember: they are anti gun, and they are anti violence...

on the other hand, we as their opponents are heavily PRO gun, and we are NOT anti violent, when our nation is pissed on enough by their types...

personally I look no difference upon a big blood stain on the ground between the remains of a ponytail and a pair of Birkenstocks, than I look at a big blood stain between the remains of a prairie dogs head and the remains of a pair of prairie dog feet...

I look at both as varmints and pests..

there is a law against me shooting one, and there isn't a law against me shooting the other....

and if there is a revolution in this nation, then all of a sudden there is no law enforceable shooting either pest..

Anything that undermines my nation is a varmint, and deserves to be treated as such... that is the way I see it..


Where is Seafire advocating violence? I didn't see anywhere he said he was going to go out and kill anybody.

Again PP, I read the post in its entirety when he put it up, how exactly did I get caught with my pants down? I've read your words many times about what you'd do to certain folks here, given the chance. I just take it with a grain of salt and consider the big-mouthed, hummingbird asssed source rather than getting all upset about it. Then again I am not suffering from MPH syndrome like you are.

Now you have put it out in the open that you are a Communist and would stand with America's enemies if push comes to shove. This is not anything surprising to most of us, but I'm sure it will be eye-opening to some of the people here. You are condemned by your own words.


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Originally Posted by Jeff_O
This is probably better dealt with on a different thread, but as a general question...

The government spends "our" money on all kinds of things that many of us don't like.

How is this health bill any different?


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Jeff

please understand that I am looking at the forest not the tree. Health care I could give a damn about that the only guarantee that this bill gives is my taxes are going up and my health care will continue to rise.

They are forcing people to do things they have no right to do. I now have to buy insurance if I want to or not. That is taking away my freedom. The way it was done was despicable. Don't make the mistake that they want everyone to have heath care they only want to control all of us our every move and decision. They are not going to stop there. they think they are untouchable, that they can do anything they want to. There next move will be to take away more of your freedoms against mine and your wishes. Eventually it will be our guns. Once they have that it will be our freedom of speech, religion, ect..... they want control that is it they want to be able to tell you when and how to do everything. Will it happen in my life, I don't know. we as a people will eventually have to stop what is going on. I would rather not leave that up to my kids or grandchildren. This is the path we are going down something has to give and I bet it won't be the American people.








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Originally Posted by Jeff_O
Originally Posted by BLG
[b]Jeff!!!!!!!! Please respond. You badger others to respond now respond to this.[/b]


I have a serious question for you Jeff. What good could possibly come from this legislation? Name one thing good about a bill that encompasses 1/6 of our economy being taken over by the govt. The amount of debt will be over the top. Most people can't even fathom a trillion dollars much less 10 trillion. This dem controlled govt. didn't represent the people on this, they represented themselves and an idealouge. This debate started off about taking back our country from tyrants as a direct result of this abominable bill. Defend it. I bet you can't.

Clyde


It takes something that was about 1/2 socialized and makes it about 3/4 socialized. Big whoop.

And, of course, there's the little detail that what we have now, if you follow the trend lines forward, literally bankrupts the country, too. Health costs are rising at an insane rate. It's not something that can continue. This was a real, big, problem. Obama isn't fixing something that ain't broke here. (Not that I think he really fixed anything, mind you).

My tax dollars are spent willy-nilly on something I don't agree with, which is a to say a HUGE, bloated military that is used to maintain a global hegenomy. Many here also feel that way. What's the difference? This health bill could be paid for and them some with cutting the military down to a reasonable size.


But this is all beside the point. So a politician makes a big program, and now we are all plus-one'ing on the concept of destrying our democracy over it at the barrel of a gun?

Guys.. I know you hate me, I don't really give a rip. So believe this as you will. I have two seperate "ready" guns, in two seperate places, well stocked with ammo and ready to roll. They are implements of war. Why do I have these things? Because I believe it's my duty as an American to defend this country, to defend freedom.

But for Pete's sake, "shooting the hippies" ain't it!!!!! Talking openly about killing people who differ politically, ain't it! Over a HEALTH BILL?!

Honestly, that very few here will come out and call Seafire's post what it is- [bleep]- shouldn't surprise me, but it does.



That's it. That's what you call defending this crap. I had a feeling you had no game. Now I know it. I really should put you on ignore, but then I would lose way to much entertainment value. It's fun to watch people hand you your asss. It's not hard for them to do, since the amunition is always hanging in the breeze. Yeah a smaller military in a time we are at war makes even more sense to me now. And socialism, yeah, you convinced me there too. Damn you got a place in Oregon I can shack up for a while so I can attend the Jeff O school of pacifism and socialism?



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Re: The Hysterical Commie,

Cole says:

"You are condemned by your own words."

Crossfire says;

....."T$ts up"

Damned interesting to watch what he's doing to himself, in a creepy sorta' way,........No?

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Originally Posted by ColeYounger
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My tax dollars are spent willy-nilly on something I don't agree with, which is a to say a HUGE, bloated military that is used to maintain a global hegenomy. Many here also feel that way. What's the difference? This health bill could be paid for and them some with cutting the military down to a reasonable size.

You really can't be that clueless can you?


He really is that clueless. A commie who is talking about standing with his own against people who are 100% pro-American and who thinks that sacrificing national defense in order to give free medical care to hardcore drug addicts, illegals and freeloaders is a good idea.


Bull [bleep] [bleep]. Stop misrepresenting what I say.

I stand for freedom. Militant rightists killing people over politics, which is the explicit reason for this thread, is not freedom. It's a political group attempting to subvert the very core value of our democracy, at the barrel of a gun. I stand against that, the same as I'd stand against it if it was militant leftists saying the same crap.

The military is huge, bloated, being used to maintain an empire, and could be 1/3 the size and cost and function perfectly well to defend our country in any meaningful way. That's just a statement of fact- one that many MANY conservatives agree with, by the way.

Cole, you are literally shrinking before my eyes here. Stop lying, stop acting like child, and participate in a debate between adults.


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The military is huge, bloated, being used to maintain an empire, and could be 1/3 the size and cost and function perfectly well to defend our country in any meaningful way. That's just a statement of fact- one that many MANY conservatives agree with, by the way.

and your proof of this fallacy?


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Yeah a smaller military in a time we are at war makes even more sense to me now.



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What country are we at war with again?


I seem to have forgot.

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Jeff

please understand that I am looking at the forest not the tree. Health care I could give a damn about that the only guarantee that this bill gives is my taxes are going up and my health care will continue to rise.

They are forcing people to do things they have no right to do. I now have to buy insurance if I want to or not. That is taking away my freedom. The way it was done was despicable. Don't make the mistake that they want everyone to have heath care they only want to control all of us our every move and decision. They are not going to stop there. they think they are untouchable, that they can do anything they want to. There next move will be to take away more of your freedoms against mine and your wishes. Eventually it will be our guns. Once they have that it will be our freedom of speech, religion, ect..... they want control that is it they want to be able to tell you when and how to do everything. Will it happen in my life, I don't know. we as a people will eventually have to stop what is going on. I would rather not leave that up to my kids or grandchildren. This is the path we are going down something has to give and I bet it won't be the American people.


Except, and I cannot believe I'm even having to type this but it shows just how far from reality this thread has gotten,

WE WILL SPANK THEM IN THE MIDTERMS! And if it plays out like you say, or even hints at it, Obama will be a footnote in 2-1/2 years. At which point, if this health bill is really so odious, it'll get modified or repealed by the representatives WE THE PEOPLE elect, peacefully, and under the mantle of freedom and democracy. NOT under the barrels of guns held by a mob. See?

This, my friend, is how America works!


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I read somewhere, sorry but I forgot where, that during the Revolutionary War, ten percent wished to stay with the british, ten percent actually did the fighting and the other 80 percent sat on their fat arses waiting to see who won. Considering most of the people today, IE the "ME Generation, what makes you think we'd even recruit five percent? Sad to say, I think that's how it would work out.
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Some are okay with elected theft at the barrel of a gun...that is politics.

Others using said gun to repel the theft...."Militant rightists"

Totally clear.

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