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Whers the .270 fall then?
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At 700 yards maybe.... I was asking the poster that said 6.5mm and under is small and 7 mm and over is medium.
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Whers the .270 fall then? The true 7mm...
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225 yards and under 257 Roberts, 30-30 225 and beyond 270,30-06
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Whers the .270 fall then? The true 7mm... Now we're clear.
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What a question. There is more small calibers that are excellant 200 yarders for deer than you can imagine.But the 243 is probably the most popular with its mild recoil for beginners to prevent the flinch factor from developing.
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I have a 223AI, 243AI, 25-284, and 25-06AI in my safe that I would consider to be a "small caliber deer rifle". I consider my .277's and .284's as big game rifles.
Out of my four "small caliber deer rifles", I'll have to say that my 25-284 would get the nod, if I just kept one.
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So, where does small caliber end and medium caliber begin? I tend to think the split is somewhere between 6.5mm and 7/mm. 6.5mm and below being "small" and 7mm and above being "medium." I would put the change between 25 and 6.5. There is a large jump in max. bullet weight there-120 to 160. I think a cartridge that can use a 160 grain bullet is a medium deer+ cartridge. Bruce
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I use a 7x57 or a 7x08 with 120's or 140's with no issues. Low recoil and kills them dead.
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I vote for the .243 Improved - 6mm Rem. No stopping at 200 either.
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CMG, I gotta say, I am with you on this. MY pick is the 6mm Remington, as well.
The .243 is a great cartridge and is as common as dirt.I can't help having an aversion to hunting with the same thing everyone else under the sun has, though.
I love the .257 Roberts, but since it is more or less at it's best with a 100 grain bullet, I can't see any reason not to shoot a skinnier bullet that weighs the same.
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END POST !
223 Rigby Improved, you all forgot this one !
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Since you mentioned "out of the box" rifles, I'll say 25-06.
Why? you ask. 200 yards ain't that big of a deal so most will get the job done. The 25-06 with 120's is pretty darn good!
cartridges of .25 cal are a minimum standard in my mind for general use.
For me, I'll be running a 6.5-06 as my small cartridge option.
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"I love the .257 Roberts, but since it is more or less at it's best with a 100 grain bullet" CT: I will quibble with that ballistic gack, by adding my own. Given a 200yd max, I'll take a 117gr RN bullet from the Bob over any 6mm.
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SouthTexas, Point taken, friend. CT
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Throw my vote on the .257 roberts. 120 grain partitions, 43 grains of H414. One of my favorite recipes for making things dead.
When I was doing a lot of range days with the local hunters ed classes, the small kids especially seemed to handle the .257 with remington factory 117 grain roundnose ammo better than they did the .243 with factory 100 grain stuff. Same brands of rifles so I don't think weight was a factor. I think the lower pressure, thus less sharp "boom", affected them less.
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The Grand Poobah has spoken Gents. Ingwe, 243 is properly spelled two seventy winchester. Around here anyway!
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