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Originally Posted by curdog4570

When Ruby nailed Oswald , that one event made certain that otherwise sane persons - such as myself - would never believe that Oswald acted alone .



why? the fact that a flake like Ruby whacked Oswald, was allowed to live, and never implicated anyone else would not seem to be evidence one way or the other about Oswald's co-conspirators or lack therof.

it was a damn poor conspiracy if an alcoholic strip club owner was the best they could do, and then they didn't whack their shooter too. if there had really been a conpiracy and Ruby was part of it, why was he allowed to grow old and die in prison?


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I forgot to add that whomsoever dunnit is owed a tremendous debt of gratitude by the citizens of this nation .


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Out of curiousity, how long did it take for Watergate to break?

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I don't know anything about international banks, rouge CIA agents, fluoride salesmen, or martians being involved, but I don't think Oswald executed those shots under those circumstances. It wouldn't take much of a conspiracy to have one more shooter involved. Maybe just another oddball like Oswald.


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Out of curiousity, how long did it take for Watergate to break?
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The reason the focused on Oswald so quickly was because it was so obvious.

It was obvious that the shots came from the schoolbook depository. There were many witnesses DIRECTLY beneath the window who heard the shots. There were three witnesses in the building on the floor below who not only heard the shots, but actually heard the brass casings hitting the the thin plywood floor above their heads between the shots. Several of the witnesses on the ground actually saw the gunman and gave a description of him.

Later, when all the employees of the schoolbook depository were gathered, there was only one missing. Guess who? Lee Harvey Oswald, of course.

Almost at the same moment as officers were being told to go out and see if Oswald was home so they could talk to him, there were reports that a police officer had been shot in the area. No one had any idea that they were connected but as every available officer was sent to the area, the numerous witnesses to that shooting gave them descriptions and told them the man was in the Texas Theatre. They quickly apprehended him looking for nothing more than a cop killer at this point.

Once the figured out who they had in custody, it was easy to draw the lines.

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Originally Posted by FlaRick
I don't know anything about international banks, rouge CIA agents, fluoride salesmen, or martians being involved, but I don't think Oswald executed those shots under those circumstances. It wouldn't take much of a conspiracy to have one more shooter involved. Maybe just another oddball like Oswald.


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Originally Posted by Cossatotjoe_redux
The reason the focused on Oswald so quickly was because it was so obvious.

It was obvious that the shots came from the schoolbook depository. There were many witnesses DIRECTLY beneath the window who heard the shots. There were three witnesses in the building on the floor below who not only heard the shots, but actually heard the brass casings hitting the the thin plywood floor above their heads between the shots. Several of the witnesses on the ground actually saw the gunman and gave a description of him.

Later, when all the employees of the schoolbook depository were gathered, there was only one missing. Guess who? Lee Harvey Oswald, of course.

Almost at the same moment as officers were being told to go out and see if Oswald was home so they could talk to him, there were reports that a police officer had been shot in the area. No one had any idea that they were connected but as every available officer was sent to the area, the numerous witnesses to that shooting gave them descriptions and told them the man was in the Texas Theatre. They quickly apprehended him looking for nothing more than a cop killer at this point.

Once the figured out who they had in custody, it was easy to draw the lines.
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by Cossatotjoe_redux
The reason the focused on Oswald so quickly was because it was so obvious.

It was obvious that the shots came from the schoolbook depository. There were many witnesses DIRECTLY beneath the window who heard the shots. There were three witnesses in the building on the floor below who not only heard the shots, but actually heard the brass casings hitting the the thin plywood floor above their heads between the shots. Several of the witnesses on the ground actually saw the gunman and gave a description of him.

Later, when all the employees of the schoolbook depository were gathered, there was only one missing. Guess who? Lee Harvey Oswald, of course.

Almost at the same moment as officers were being told to go out and see if Oswald was home so they could talk to him, there were reports that a police officer had been shot in the area. No one had any idea that they were connected but as every available officer was sent to the area, the numerous witnesses to that shooting gave them descriptions and told them the man was in the Texas Theatre. They quickly apprehended him looking for nothing more than a cop killer at this point.

Once the figured out who they had in custody, it was easy to draw the lines.
What happened to your old Cassatojoe account?


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Folks figured we would find out the truth about the assasination given time . We had not yet earned our PHD in cynicism .

Ruby offing Oswald creates a mindset that entertains the possibility of Kennedy's death being the result of a conspiracy .Once that mindset is established , certain events , factually reported at the time , added credibility to it .Autopsy discrepenciies come to mind .

But we still figured the "TRUTH" would come out .

It probably already has - in bits and pieces .

FWIW , Dr. Lito Porto of Arlington Tx did a milogram on my spine in 1978 . He was one of the nuerosurgeons called in to work on JFK . All he told me , and probably anyone else who asked him , was that the wounds described in the autopsy report didn't match up with what he saw in Dallas that afternoon .

That could have been ineptitude but more likely someone said ; " We gotta make this appear as the work of one shooter " and the guy giving the order may not have known a damn thing about whodunnit .He may have - like all good bureaucrats - sensed the prevailing winds and acted on his own .

Just doing his part to revent WWIII .

Once he had given that order , it's for damn sure he ain't ever gonna talk .


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Originally Posted by Cossatotjoe_redux
The reason the focused on Oswald so quickly was because it was so obvious.

It was obvious that the shots came from the schoolbook depository. There were many witnesses DIRECTLY beneath the window who heard the shots. There were three witnesses in the building on the floor below who not only heard the shots, but actually heard the brass casings hitting the the thin plywood floor above their heads between the shots. Several of the witnesses on the ground actually saw the gunman and gave a description of him.

Later, when all the employees of the schoolbook depository were gathered, there was only one missing. Guess who? Lee Harvey Oswald, of course.

Almost at the same moment as officers were being told to go out and see if Oswald was home so they could talk to him, there were reports that a police officer had been shot in the area. No one had any idea that they were connected but as every available officer was sent to the area, the numerous witnesses to that shooting gave them descriptions and told them the man was in the Texas Theatre. They quickly apprehended him looking for nothing more than a cop killer at this point.

Once the figured out who they had in custody, it was easy to draw the lines.


Exactly. Even if we give plausibilty there was a conspiracy to do this, my point was from the begginning, given the documentary I watched that Oswald was the ONLY shooter.


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Originally Posted by Cossatotjoe_redux

That is what happens when you somehow get logged out and the only way to get on this board if you have long ago forgotten the password is to have an email sent to an email account that you long ago quit using and is no longer in existence.
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Uh , scuse me - none of my business actually - but are you under the impression that docmentery films don't go into production with the conclusion already scripted ?

I admit to watching every documentery film on the JFK deal I've run across and none of them convinced me one way or the other .

I just don't see how some of you can be so convinced - in either direction - based just on the known facts .

The jury may always be hung on this case , and I don't think it has a damn thing to do with the intelligence level of the jurors .


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That documentary was on the History Channel.


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Originally Posted by elkhunternm
That documentary was on the History Channel.


So was the one that did a convincing (in a vacuum) job of putting it all on LBJ.


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Originally Posted by Steve_NO
just following out the logic trail.....you say the plot was to hire foreign dumbasses as shooters....they'd have to be pretty severely retarded foreigners not to recognize the fact that they're being hired to kill the president of the United States and cannot be allowed to collect their money and live, but we'll put that aside for now.

OK, foreign dumbass shooters (how many? two ? three?) get whacked in their turn by patriotic civil servants who fail to connect the dots and don't realize they're participating in an assassination conspiracy and committing murder in support of it.

But you can't stop there.....evidence must be manufactured, tampered with or destroyed as the case may be to protect the plot.

Officer Tippet has to be killed. Ruby recruited and somehow kept silent for years in prison.

Congress, Justice Dept, and the Warren Commission and all their staffs brought into the coverup....how many people do you have to kill because they won't play ball? and why on earth do people with nothing to gain from any of this not go straight to the FBI, or failing that....since they're all in on it too they won't do anything, right?..the entire FBI is part of the conspiracy......well, phones still work and how come none of the thousands of people who are now implicated drops a dime to the New York Times or the Washington Post?

I mean, it's really too absurd to give any credence to such nonsense. movies can ignore loose ends, but in reality they make such conspiracies impossible to organize and protect.


Steve, you're too logical... you're failing to suspend your disbelief and enable your Harry Potter gene!

<sigh> every time this idiocy comes up I go to my bookshelf and haul out my dog-eared copy of "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner. Posner's legal and research training brought him to look at every wild-ass conspiracy theorist and supposed witness, and then systematically run them to ground. EVERY conspiracy-buff whose rant I've ever had to listen to is refuted in Posner's concise but extremely detailed 506-page book.

The only reason Kennedy-assassination conspiracists still exist is, IMHO, because untreated Attention Deficit Disorder and illiteracy are so rampant in America today. People get their "information" from snippets of TV and internet hokum and because they lack the patience or reading skills to do any actual research, become self-proclaimed "skeptics" when in reality all they are is misinformed, or willfully ignorant at best.

Anyone who really cares about the truth of the Kennedy assassination, as opposed to just being a tinfoil hat chit-disturber, needs to read Posner's book in full.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
So, if conspiracies in corruption in high places are so unlikely as to be practically speaking impossible to get away with, what were the Founding Fathers and the Framers of our Constitution so worried about? Why so many tight restrictions on the national government? Why so much public accountability? Why divide powers? Why all the checks and balances? Why so few and defined powers? What were they concerned about?
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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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So, if conspiracies in corruption in high places are so unlikely as to be practically speaking impossible to get away with, what were the Founding Fathers and the Framers of our Constitution so worried about? Why so many tight restrictions on the national government? Why so much public accountability? Why divide powers? Why all the checks and balances? Why so few and defined powers? What were they concerned about?
Does no one wish to take a shot at this?


Frankly, no.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
So, if conspiracies in corruption in high places are so unlikely as to be practically speaking impossible to get away with, what were the Founding Fathers and the Framers of our Constitution so worried about? Why so many tight restrictions on the national government? Why so much public accountability? Why divide powers? Why all the checks and balances? Why so few and defined powers? What were they concerned about?
Does no one wish to take a shot at this?
Obviously those tricorn hats were all lined with tinfoil...

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