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JFK forbade the media to refer to him as "Jack."
Eisenhower remarked "As long as I live, I'll answer to 'Ike.'"
As long as I live, I'll be � to anybody � jus' plain ol' "Ken."
edited to add �
( � except to certain lovely Honorary Daughters who hug me and call me "Uncle Ken.") You're a true gentleman. I am honored to call you "Dr. Howell".
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I like this guy's theory: Fatal shot result of a negligent discharge by SS agent during assassination attempt. He studies it rom a ballistician's POV and, IMHO, makes a more plausible case than any other. I thought Oliver Stone's movie was funny. The premise there was that everyone was involved in the plot except for Oliver Stone and JFK.
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. --H. L. Mencken www.oregonfirearms.org
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He suffered a traumatic brain injury, died, is still dead and the rest is just pure conjecture.
"The 375HH is the greatest level of power you can get for the investment in recoil." (JJHack) 79s and losttrail, biggest waste of air.
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Cats, they say, have nine lives.
Cats envy some dead horses.
"Good enough" isn't.
Always take your responsibilities seriously but never yourself.
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� certain lovely Honorary Daughters � preteens to middle 'ties � who hug me and call me "Uncle Ken." Friend who's seen some of 'em suggests that I post some pix. That wouldn't be a kind thing to do. Some of you whippersnappers'd be chewing the ceiling.
"Good enough" isn't.
Always take your responsibilities seriously but never yourself.
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I'm glad you seemed to find a conspiracy theory book which footnotes your friend doctor and suggests he was there. Fact is, he wasn't. The doctors who were present and who tended to the President have testified ad nauseum as to who was present in that room and Porto wasn't one of them.
Squeeze....every single point you brought up has been roundly refuted and disproven and if you don't wish to do the research, that's your call. Have you read Posner? Have you read Locke? The alleged forgeries, the throat injury; all have been shown to be conspiracy fallacy and disproven. If you only wish to read that which sustains your position,via conspiracy routes,have at it. Your 41 foot,brain bone conspiracy theory has been blown out of the water by my link provided so let me know if you need me to do so for the throat injury, as well. Or, you can research it for yourself.
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Porto was there . He was a lowly resident but he WAS there . I was surprised that when I googled his name , all the stuff was about his connection to the assasination even though he WAS a world class surgeon . Apparently he never tried to exploit his 15 minutes of fame with regard to JFK . His boss , DR. Mc Clellen , didn't agree with the autopsy photos either , for whatever THAT is worth . Your side is stuck with a House Commitee Report that concludes Oswald didn't act alone .I don't have to [ and don't ] buy into any of the conspiracy theory books in order to agree with their finding .I don't even have to agree with the way they reached their conclusion . My lawyer mentor , Gene Jericho , told me several times that in a wrongful death case , we didn't have to offer an alternate theory ; we only had to disprove the plantiff's theory . Then he always added ;" But juries sure do like one ". I think that explains the success of even poorly researched and written conspiracy books . I'm perfectly content with the notion that Oswald didn't act alone and I'm willing to leave it there . You can never be proven right , and I can never be proven wrong ! It's just the way things are ! I give you the last word .
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The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. William Arthur Ward
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Neck Region
Films #8, 9 and 10 allowed visualization of the lower neck. Subcutaneous emphysema is present just to the right of the cervical spine immediately above the apex of the right lung. Also, several, small metallic fragments are present in this region. There is no evidence of fracture of either scapula or of the clavicles, or of the ribs or of any of the cervical and thoracic vertebrae.
The foregoing observations indicate that the pathway of the projectile involving the neck was confined to a region to the right of she spine and superior to a plane passing through the upper margin of the right scapula, the apex of the right lung and the right clavicle. Any other pathway would have almost certainly fractured one or more bones of the right shoulder girdle and thorax.
Other Regions Studied No bullets or fragments of bullets are demonstrated in X-rayed portions of the body other than those described above. On film #13, a small round opaque structure a little more than 1 mm. in diameter, is visible just to the right of the midline at the level of the sacral segment of the spine. Its smooth characteristics are not similar to those of the projectile fragments seen in the X-rays of the skull and neck.
EXAMINATION OF THE CLOTHING
Suit Coat (CE 393)
A ragged oval hole about 15 mm. long (vertically) is located 5 cm. to the right of the midline in the back of the coat at a point about 12 cm. below the upper edge of the coal collar. A smaller ragged hole, which is located near the midline and about 4 cm. below the upper edge of the collar, does not overlie any corresponding damage to the shirt or skin and appears to be unrelated to the wounds or their causation.
Shirt (CE 394)
A ragged hole about 10 mm. long vertically and corresponding to the first one described in the coat, is located 2.5 cm. to the right of the midline in the back of the shirt at a point 14 cm. below the upper edge of the collar. Two linear holes 15 mm. long are found in the overlapping hems of the front of the shirt in a position corresponding to the place where the knot of the necktie would normally be.
Tie (CE 395)
In the front component of the knot of the tie in the outer layer of fabric, a ragged tear about 5 mm. in maximum diameter is located 2.5 cm. below the upper edge of the knot and to the left of the midline.
DISCUSSION
The information disclosed by the joint examination of the foregoing exhibits by the members of The Panel supports the following conclusions;
The decedent was wounded by two bullets, both of which entered his body from behind.
One bullet struck the back of the decedent's head well above the external occipital protuberance. Based upon the observation that he was leaning forward with his head turned obliquely to the left when this bullet struck, the photographs and X-rays indicate that it came from a site above and slightly to his right. This bullet fragmented after entering the cranium, one major piece of it passing forward and laterally to produce an explosive fracture of the right side of the skull as it emerged from the head.
The absence of metallic fragments in the left cerebral hemisphere or below the level of the frontal fossa on the right side together with the absence of any holes in it the skull to the left of the midline or in its base and the absence of any penetrating injury of the left hemisphere, eliminate with reasonable certainty the possibility of a projectile having passed through the head in any direction other than from back to front as described in preceding sections of this report.
The other bullet struck the decedent's back at the right side of the base of the neck between the shoulder and spine and emerged from the front of his neck near the midline. The possibility that this bullet might have followed a pathway other than one passing through the site of the tracheotomy wound was considered. No evidence for this was found. There is a track between the two cutaneous wounds as indicated by subcutaneous emphysema and small metallic fragments on the X-rays and the contusion of the apex of the right lung and laceration of the trachea described in the Autopsy Report. In addition, any path other than one between the two cutaneous wounds would almost surely have been intercepted by bone and the X-ray films show no bony damage in the thorax or neck.
The possibility that the path of the bullet through the neck might have been more satisfactorily explored by the insertion of a finger or probe was considered. Obviously the cutaneous wound in the back was too small to permit the insertion of a finger. The insertion of a metal probe would have carried the risk of creating a false passage in part, because of the changed relationship of muscles at the time of autopsy and in part because of the existence of postmortem rigidity. Although the precise path of the bullet could undoubtedly have been demonstrated by complete dissection of the soft tissue between the two cutaneous wounds, there is no reason to believe that the information disclosed thereby would alter significantly the conclusions expressed in this report. SUMMARY
Examination of the clothing and of the photographs and X- rays taken at autopsy reveal that President Kennedy was struck by two bullets fired from above and behind him, one of which traversed the base of the neck on the right side without striking bone and the other of which entered the skull from behind and exploded its right side.
The photographs and X-rays discussed herein support the above-quoted portions of the original Autopsy Report and the above-quoted medical concludions of the Warren Commission Report.
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