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I use the Whelen for moose and bbears, although a few deer were taken because of the pepperoni factor, wasn't hunting deer . If I had a choice and I did have a choice between the two I would pick the whelen. Today i moved to a 9.3 because i wanted a sako stainless rifle, pretty much duplicates the whelen's performance with out the belt and long barrel and the recoil.
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As I see it, the biggest issue with the "failure" of the Whelen has to do with the ignorance of the people writing the reviews, buying the guns, and the need for the Whelen to be handloaded to maximize it's potential. A good 250grain Whelen handload is the equivalent of many 338 Factory loads.
My 700 classic reaches 2525fps with a 250grain Speer Hot-Cor. That load will retain over 2121FPE out to 300yds with a 10.1" drop when zeroed @200yds.
Common 250 grain 338Win factory loads have the following energy figures @300yds.
Federal 250 Partition - 2120fpe [-8.8"@300]
Remington 250PSP - 2075fpe [-8.9"@300]
Winchester 250partition gold- 2122fpe [-8.7"@300]
Federal 250grain Partition HE- 2250fpe [-7.8"@300]
Even when comparing the newer 225grain 338Win loads to a good Whelen 250Grain handload, the 338 only holds about 100-150fpe advantage.
The Whelen suffers only from biased opinions and marketing blunders. If it was marketed correctly by Remington for what it is, and the outdoor media gave it a fair review, the Whelen would be one of the first choices for medium to large game for more hunters.
Instead Remington and others do their best to kill it off like they do to the 260 Remington and 358 Winchester.
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....so...?  It doesn't have a belt and doesn't say "MAGNUM". 
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Acquit v. t. To render a judgment in a murder case in San Francisco... EQUAL, adj. As bad as something else. Ambrose Bierce “The Devil's Dictionary”
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duplicates the whelen's performance with out the belt and long barrel and the recoil. FP--What am I missing here? Whelen's don't have a belt 
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referance 338Win mag, which has a belt, whelens do not, 9.3x66Sako does not have a belt, these two duplicate the performance ( as near as possible) of the 338, in a shorter , lighter package and with a bullet of greater frontal area contributing to more on target trauma,
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well, I have one now, and I hope to use it on elk this fall. It had been someone's custom rifle, built on a 1915 Mauser action. I put a Burris 2-7X33 scope on it and will have it out shooting next weekend.
The guy at the gun store gave me a deal on it just to make it go away and he even sold me the last box of shells he had for just $20. He said no one around here was interested in that caliber.
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well, I have one now, and I hope to use it on elk this fall. It had been someone's custom rifle, built on a 1915 Mauser action. I put a Burris 2-7X33 scope on it and will have it out shooting next weekend.
The guy at the gun store gave me a deal on it just to make it go away and he even sold me the last box of shells he had for just $20. He said no one around here was interested in that caliber. Good for you. Check out the new Federal Fusion ammo for the Whelen for deer, or get yourself some reloading equipment. The Whelen is easy to load for and really responds to good ammo.
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I do intend to eventually get into reloading. I also have a .35 Remington and there is a lot of good reloading info out there for that one, too. I would eventually like to also pick up a .358 Win, just to round out the collection.
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That would be a fun threesome, for sure.  Later add a 350 Rem Mag, just for schidts and giggles. 
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that would be a fun box of ammo to ask for at the local gun counter.... ;-)
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Only reason I can think of is that the 350 Rem mag has become such a hot item. Only a few of us loonies want to have both!
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FP
Now that I re-read your post with a cup of coffee this morning, it became clearer what you were saying. Couldn't agree more.
WN
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rar When I travel I like to stop at small gun shops whenever possible just to cruise the racks. Normally the guy behind the counter will ask what I'm looking for and I'll usually mention 35W, 350RM, or 358WCF. Responses have varied greatly!  Great conversation starter, though! WN
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Those that use the 35whelen know the differance. A 250gr bullet @2500+ fps seems to stagger a big animal better than the 338, more in the league of the 9.3's and 375's. Old people have already discovered what works and why the younger crowd needs new and especially if magnum is attached to the moniker. With the 35 you use 10 less grains of powder, less recoil for better on game performance. My experience only, yours may vary. Yep, mine varies.
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A double tap from a 223AI is better than both......
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In the spirit of this thread, the 222 Magnum kills better than the 223....
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Oh No, I've got the 223.. I'll now have to get the better one
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I came THAT close to coming home with a 222 Remington magnum this weekend but the price was a tad high.
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In the spirit of this thread, the 222 Magnum kills better than the 223.... SHEESH!!! There are disbelievers of The Real Truth on every thread today! Ingwe
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Ain't non twisted fer schit. Best to make one.
Some nice rifles chambered for it though.
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