Something makes them the most accurate and best selling production rifles in the world.
My left nut contains more gray matter than what you posess in your whole [bleep]' head Swampman. You are the dumbest, most ignorant, blind, retarded, inbred, white trash, moronic a$$hole I've come across on a website in a long time. Btw, I love M700s and many other rifles, but the way you talk about them makes me want beat you in your misshapen, waterhead skull with one you [bleep] dult.
My beef with Rem barrels has less to do with the barrel per se, and more to do with the chamber.... sloppy, sloppy, sloppy with a throat halfway down the damn barrel. My last M700 shoots fine but the chambering job is a horror.
There has been alot of talk about the German made hammer forging machines and the fact that many of the manufacturers use the same machines. The question I have is whether this German manufacturer also makes the all important mandrel around which these barrels are formed? I would think the quality of this mandrel has much more to do with final accuracy than does the machine which hammers the blank. Does anyone know whether these mandrels are made in house or made, like the hammer forge itself, by the same manufacturer?
The mandrels are made by the rifle manufacturer or a tool vendor of their choosing. The amount of times a mandrel is used would determine the quality of the rifling as would whether the "Hole" was properly reamed and honed. I seriously doubt Remington hones those bores prior to hammer forging...Steyr and Sako would be examples of properly hammer forged barrels.
My beef with Rem barrels has less to do with the barrel per se, and more to do with the chamber.... sloppy, sloppy, sloppy with a throat halfway down the damn barrel. My last M700 shoots fine but the chambering job is a horror.
I've got factory remington 700 "varmint" style bbl'd actions in .243win and .223rem that if they shot any better they would make a good benchrest rifle. Have had others before them that performed equally well.
Come to think of it, I haven't yet had a Remington 700 in any configuration that hasn't shot very well out of the box. Most all customizations I've made have been more about taste or style ... not really about improving the accuracy or function of the rifles.
Not trying to draw any comparisons to other rifles by saying that ... just pointing out what my experiences have been, and I don't have a single complaint with my Remingtons ... in fact, All my bolt action rifles are Remingtons, and I don't plan on changing ...
I'd put my factory barrel'd Rem 700 Ti's up against any custom, of like weight.
My NULA .30-'06 shoots very well, and it "only" has a Douglas stainless barrel.
The best barrels are cut rifled and hand lapped. The barrel maker can feel the barrel as the cut progresses, and a good barrel maker can turn out a superior product. Probably not economical for production quantities as the other factory methods are.
jim
LCDR Jim Dodd, USN (Ret.) "If you're too busy to hunt, you're too busy."
I've got factory remington 700 "varmint" style bbl'd actions in .243win and .223rem that if they shot any better they would make a good benchrest rifle. Have had others before them that performed equally well.
Come to think of it, I haven't yet had a Remington 700 in any configuration that hasn't shot very well out of the box. Most all customizations I've made have been more about taste or style ... not really about improving the accuracy or function of the rifles.
Not trying to draw any comparisons to other rifles by saying that ... just pointing out what my experiences have been, and I don't have a single complaint with my Remingtons ... in fact, All my bolt action rifles are Remingtons, and I don't plan on changing ...
I've had two that didn't meet my standards. Both eventually got bedded and floated and one was recrowned, still didn't do it.
The new M700 in 30-06 I bought my brother was about a 1.5 MOA rifle, even with handloads. I messed with it for a while before I gave it to him. But it wasn't bedded or anything. I'd call that borderline.
I've got "several" M700's that shoot great out of the box, or with minimal tweaking. That's always nice.
Nice product; I'm a fan, most of my rifles are Rem. But they make some turkeys; I've bought 'em.
In my limited experience, custom barrels are much more likely to be very accurate, have nice tight, clean chambers, are not fussy or picky about loads, and foul very minimally and clean up easy. I'd say those are ALL advantages they have over the typical Rem tube.
My .243 is (unfortunately) just slapped into a PSS take-off stock, no bedding other than the "scope/action stretch eliminating" aluminum bedding block ... was ringing an 8" steel plate at about 800 yards with it easily ... 105g Amax's are what it eats now. However, that's the same rifle I shot my antelope with a couple years ago, shooting the 85g TSX ... shots were 300 yds, 315yds, and 415 yds - all one shot kills.
the other one is a .223rem 12" twist that's in a Manners stock (similar to the A5 w/out a butt hook), and it's only got aluminum pillars and a dab of bedding at the lug. It too is scary accurate with 50g Vmax's ...
I'm sure that ALL rifle makers, as well as custom bbl makers, let a bad one out of the shop from time to time ... nobody is perfect ... but overall, I find no issues with the Remington rifles ... I like the design of them, and they rarely require any real 'fixing' ... maybe a tweak of the magazine box lips to facilitate better feeding ... or replacing a J-Lock assembly with a non-J-Lock assembly ... a little trigger tweak, etc...
but again, I've never had one that just refused to shoot ... and most I've had really shot well, like 1MOA or better by just taking them out of the box and shooting them.
! Good one.
