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I'm no great fan of the 1" fixed 12x or 16x,but do bang around a couple/few 30mm M1 10x's(and 16x).
10x will paintcha into many corners,that a 6x40/42 cain't...................
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a fixed 8x scope has to be about the most worthless scope I could ever imagine. its too low powered to be a good range or varmint scope and its too much for a hunting scope,
fixed power scopes are for old geezers who somehow still think a fixed scope is more reliable, variables have been for all practical purposes just as reliable since the 80's some 30 odd years or more.
a fixed 10x or 12x would have some value for a range scope but thats about it. if you like a 6x scope or a 3x 6x or whatever x, just buy a 3x9 in a zeiss or leupold, turn the power down you you will have a nice bright scope with a good FOV or turn it up and shoot targets at the range. there isn't a thing a fixed power scope can do that a todays variable cannot do alot better.
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a fixed 8x scope has to be about the most worthless scope I could ever imagine. its too low powered to be a good range or varmint scope and its too much for a hunting scope,
fixed power scopes are for old geezers who somehow still think a fixed scope is more reliable, variables have been for all practical purposes just as reliable since the 80's some 30 odd years or more.
a fixed 10x or 12x would have some value for a range scope but thats about it. if you like a 6x scope or a 3x 6x or whatever x, just buy a 3x9 in a zeiss or leupold, turn the power down you you will have a nice bright scope with a good FOV or turn it up and shoot targets at the range. there isn't a thing a fixed power scope can do that a todays variable cannot do alot better.
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Curious as to why anyone would buy a fixed power scope?
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Curious as to why anyone would buy a fixed power scope? Fixed-power scopes are lighter, simpler to assemble (less to screw up during and after assembly) and easier to use. I think people who are marginal hunters/beginning hunters don't need a power ring, an AO or side-parallax distracting them. They just need to concentrate on acquiring the target and pulling the trigger when they have the crosshairs/reticle settled.
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Weaver is now making an 8x56mm
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a fixed 8x scope has to be about the most worthless scope I could ever imagine. its too low powered to be a good range or varmint scope and its too much for a hunting scope,
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In my wife's case, she had several variable scopes break on various hunts over a pretty short period. All were well-known brands and none were cheap.
Since she likes more X's than most people, she has started trying the fixed 8's. This was not done because she is inexperienced. In fact I would be willing to bet she's taken more big game than the average male Campfire member.
I have gone to fixed scopes on almost all my big game rifles for the same reason.
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John,
I�m sorry if I impugned you or your lovely bride. It was not intentional. I know that both of you prefer fixed power scopes. I was just pointing out a couple of the benefits of using a fixed power scope. I certainly would not classify you or your wife as marginal or beginning hunters.
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a fixed 8x scope has to be about the most worthless scope I could ever imagine. its too low powered to be a good range or varmint scope and its too much for a hunting scope,
fixed power scopes are for old geezers who somehow still think a fixed scope is more reliable, variables have been for all practical purposes just as reliable since the 80's some 30 odd years or more.
a fixed 10x or 12x would have some value for a range scope but thats about it. if you like a 6x scope or a 3x 6x or whatever x, just buy a 3x9 in a zeiss or leupold, turn the power down you you will have a nice bright scope with a good FOV or turn it up and shoot targets at the range. there isn't a thing a fixed power scope can do that a todays variable cannot do alot better. Prime lenses are at a series of advantages,all of which are beyond your comprehension. That is a constant,whether it binos,spotters,scopes or camera lenses(in fairness I do shoot the 70-200L f/2.8 II) a bit. Anywhoo...MUCH humored that 8x takes you outta the game(several puns intended),yet a magical increase to 9x,suddenly throws open windows of opportunity. I always get a giggle outta them that don't shoot,feigning that they do! You're on a roll..................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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Magnumdood,
Never thought you did. Please note my reply is addressed to Swampdip....
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I understand the rationale but I am going to haul the Kimber 308 into my Minnesota woods treestand this weekend. The same rifle may go out on a cow elk hunt out west. Give me an argument against still liking variable scopes. I will be at 2.5 power this weekend and 8 power in New Mexico next month.
Of course I could get two Montana 308's - you know, "one for the wife". Then I could get two fixed scopes for them..... ah loonyism at its finest.
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I could hand you your ass with a 6x42 affixed same...at any distance that you liked.
I'd stoop so low as to making it look easy too,becase it is............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I could hand you your ass with a 6x42 affixed same...at any distance that you liked.
I'd stoop so low as to making it look easy too,becase it is............ Well I see it didn't take long for this topic to get into the gutter. Nice touch!
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Facts is facts..............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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John,
I wasn't sure, because, I was the one that mentioned marginal/beginning hunters, not he.
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Don't think I even saw your post before I posted--which happens here sometimes!
My guess is that Eileen has even taken more animals than the legendary Swampy!
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I think I could like a fixed 8x on an open-country rifle, like maybe a .300 Win, but then a 6x36 or 6x42 would probably work too. One advantage, fixed have always seemed noticeably clearer to my eyes than a similar variable.
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Maybe she drives a faster golf cart..
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