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on National Wildlife Refuge land..? I was browsing the National Wildlife Service (NWS) website to make sure it's legal for me to conceal carry on NWS land. I stumbled onto the [color:#3333FF]Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge[/color][/b] page. Have any of you folks seen this, it's news to me. We're trying to prevent illegals from entering the U.S. but allow "Humane Water Stations" to be put up. Why do we allow this...? From and offical Department of Interior document: "[b] Why does the refuge need to allow water stations on the Refuge?In the past eight years, 25 people are known to have died on refuge lands due to dehydration or
exposure while trying to cross the desert, where temperatures average in the mid-90s during the
summer months. While the number of deaths on the refuge has been steadily declining from six
deaths in 2006 to two in 2009, the Service recognizes that every death that can be prevented should be prevented.Well BOO PHOOKIN HOO....! Maybe we should place free ammo tables in banks so when crimals run out of bullets, we can help them commit their crime.  Who is in charge of this circus. The inmates are running the asylum... Here's [b][color:#000099]some more[/color][/b] reading [b][color:#000099]on the subject.[/color][/b] Like the rest of you, this just burns me up.....
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on National Wildlife Refuge land..? I was browsing the National Wildlife Service (NWS) website to make sure it's legal for me to conceal carry on NWS land. I stumbled onto the [color:#3333FF]Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge[/color][/b] page. Have any of you folks seen this, it's news to me. We're trying to prevent illegals from entering the U.S. but allow "Humane Water Stations" to be put up. Why do we allow this...? From and offical Department of Interior document: "[b] Why does the refuge need to allow water stations on the Refuge?In the past eight years, 25 people are known to have died on refuge lands due to dehydration or
exposure while trying to cross the desert, where temperatures average in the mid-90s during the
summer months. While the number of deaths on the refuge has been steadily declining from six
deaths in 2006 to two in 2009, the Service recognizes that every death that can be prevented should be prevented.Well BOO PHOOKIN HOO....! Maybe we should place free ammo tables in banks so when crimals run out of bullets, we can help them commit their crime. Who is in charge of this circus. The inmates are running the asylum... Here's [b][color:#000099]some more[/color][/b] reading [b][color:#000099]on the subject.[/color][/b] Like the rest of you, this just burns me up..... They should set them up in bank vaults too, in case some bank robbers should get thirsty while pulling out heavy sacks of cash.
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Their all over the place on the Tohono O'odham Reservation.
Set up by church and humanitarian groups out of Tucson mostly.
Been going on for years....
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As I understand it, even the most die hard anti-illegal residents of the area, including ranchers and land owners, would not deny water to a thirsty man, woman, or child crossing the dessert.
That is simply a matter of humanity.
Catch them all and send them back? yes.
Deny them a drink of water in the heat of the dessert? I could not do it.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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I thought hunting over bait was illegal. 
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As I understand it, even the most die hard anti-illegal residents of the area, including ranchers and land owners, would not deny water to a thirsty man, woman, or child crossing the dessert.
That is simply a matter of humanity.
Catch them all and send them back? yes.
Deny them a drink of water in the heat of the dessert? I could not do it. You don't see this as a way of saying it's okay to do what they are doing?
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How about we staff all the water stations with police so we can arrest the illegals after they get a drink of water.
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As I understand it, even the most die hard anti-illegal residents of the area, including ranchers and land owners, would not deny water to a thirsty man, woman, or child crossing the dessert.
That is simply a matter of humanity.
Catch them all and send them back? yes.
Deny them a drink of water in the heat of the dessert? I could not do it.
Would you walk across the desert with no water...? Would you walk across the desert with properly positioned water breaks..? Take away the incentive and you fix some of the problem. IMO, there's really no way to argue FOR leaving the water out there. I wish someone would sneak in there and fill em up with saltwater..!
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ALOT of the stations get shot up or destroyed...
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As I understand it, even the most die hard anti-illegal residents of the area, including ranchers and land owners, would not deny water to a thirsty man, woman, or child crossing the dessert.
That is simply a matter of humanity.
Catch them all and send them back? yes.
Deny them a drink of water in the heat of the dessert? I could not do it. Makes two of us Sir.
George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you!
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I've heard of this on South Texas ranches too.
The way I understand it there is that for those ranchers doing this, providing water is far preferable to coming across the wretched remains of people dead of dehydration.
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especially children,had a buddy working on a oil rig on the king ranch. they had a group of wets come up to the rig looking for water. the wets had a toddler that was traveling with them killed and eaten by coyotes the day before
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As I understand it, even the most die hard anti-illegal residents of the area, including ranchers and land owners, would not deny water to a thirsty man, woman, or child crossing the dessert.
That is simply a matter of humanity.
Catch them all and send them back? yes.
Deny them a drink of water in the heat of the dessert? I could not do it. My thoughts exactly.
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As I understand it, even the most die hard anti-illegal residents of the area, including ranchers and land owners, would not deny water to a thirsty man, woman, or child crossing the dessert.
That is simply a matter of humanity.
Catch them all and send them back? yes.
Deny them a drink of water in the heat of the dessert? I could not do it. You don't see this as a way of saying it's okay to do what they are doing? No, I don't. Illegal immigration is a crime, but last time I looked it doesn't carry the death penalty. I also would think the water stations would be a great place for La Migra to blind up and wait on business to come to them. Where I hunt south of Sonora and 70 miles north of the river people leave bottled water, food and toilet paper stashes in their remote sheds and barns and leave them open. Less damage that way. These are ranchers with no love for wets, but they are also human.
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As I understand it, even the most die hard anti-illegal residents of the area, including ranchers and land owners, would not deny water to a thirsty man, woman, or child crossing the dessert.
That is simply a matter of humanity.
Catch them all and send them back? yes.
Deny them a drink of water in the heat of the dessert? I could not do it.
Would you walk across the desert with no water...? Would you walk across the desert with properly positioned water breaks..? Take away the incentive and you fix some of the problem. IMO, there's really no way to argue FOR leaving the water out there. I wish someone would sneak in there and fill em up with saltwater..! That would be a good way to get shot. By the ranchers who built many of those water tanks to keep their cattle alive. Poisoning a man's stock, or a thirsty traveler......good way to get on several "hit lists".
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on National Wildlife Refuge land..? I was browsing the National Wildlife Service (NWS) website to make sure it's legal for me to conceal carry on NWS land. I stumbled onto the [color:#3333FF]Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge[/color][/b] page. Have any of you folks seen this, it's news to me. We're trying to prevent illegals from entering the U.S. but allow "Humane Water Stations" to be put up. Why do we allow this...? From and offical Department of Interior document: "[b] Why does the refuge need to allow water stations on the Refuge?In the past eight years, 25 people are known to have died on refuge lands due to dehydration or
exposure while trying to cross the desert, where temperatures average in the mid-90s during the
summer months. While the number of deaths on the refuge has been steadily declining from six
deaths in 2006 to two in 2009, the Service recognizes that every death that can be prevented should be prevented.Well BOO PHOOKIN HOO....! Maybe we should place free ammo tables in banks so when crimals run out of bullets, we can help them commit their crime. Who is in charge of this circus. The inmates are running the asylum... Here's [b][color:#000099]some more[/color][/b] reading [b][color:#000099]on the subject.[/color][/b] Like the rest of you, this just burns me up..... There was a "person" (in name only) that I used to work with. His comments about what went on at the SuperDome after Katrina made me think he was the biggest, stupidest a##hole to be born in the 20th Century. Until I read this post of yours. Chris
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As I understand it, even the most die hard anti-illegal residents of the area, including ranchers and land owners, would not deny water to a thirsty man, woman, or child crossing the dessert.
That is simply a matter of humanity.
Catch them all and send them back? yes.
Deny them a drink of water in the heat of the dessert? I could not do it.
Would you walk across the desert with no water...? Would you walk across the desert with properly positioned water breaks..? Take away the incentive and you fix some of the problem. IMO, there's really no way to argue FOR leaving the water out there. I wish someone would sneak in there and fill em up with saltwater..! That would be a good way to get shot. By the ranchers who built many of those water tanks to keep their cattle alive. Poisoning a man's stock, or a thirsty traveler......good way to get on several "hit lists". yep, poisoning or interfering with a water supply on somebody else's property in the desert would rate down with spreading caltrops and blastin water holes. If'n you got caught, you'd get dead, pronto....by either side.
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As I understand it, even the most die hard anti-illegal residents of the area, including ranchers and land owners, would not deny water to a thirsty man, woman, or child crossing the dessert.
That is simply a matter of humanity.
Catch them all and send them back? yes.
Deny them a drink of water in the heat of the dessert? I could not do it. You don't see this as a way of saying it's okay to do what they are doing? No, I don't. Illegal immigration is a crime, but last time I looked it doesn't carry the death penalty. I also would think the water stations would be a great place for La Migra to blind up and wait on business to come to them. Where I hunt south of Sonora and 70 miles north of the river people leave bottled water, food and toilet paper stashes in their remote sheds and barns and leave them open. Less damage that way. These are ranchers with no love for wets, but they are also human. Gee Steve, do you think we are that gullible? "La Migra" won't set up on waterholes. To do so would discourage the wets from using them. They would avoid them, even if it meant risking dying of thirst. That wouldn't be very humanitarian now, would it? Nope, the wets will keep coming, and we won't harass them at the water stations. The pro-immigration Republicans (know any, Steve?) will tell the decidedly anti-immigration public that they "feel their pain" (heard that before?) but that it is simply too inhumane to turn the wets away. And the tide will continue to flow.... I wonder if the Romans set up water stations for the Visigoths?
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As I understand it, even the most die hard anti-illegal residents of the area, including ranchers and land owners, would not deny water to a thirsty man, woman, or child crossing the dessert.
That is simply a matter of humanity.
Catch them all and send them back? yes.
Deny them a drink of water in the heat of the dessert? I could not do it. Makes two of us Sir. Three now!
There comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor polite, nor popular -- but one must ask, "Is it right?"
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I also would think the water stations would be a great place for La Migra to blind up and wait on business to come to them.
Well that makes sense but seeing that 99.9% of the drinkers are illegals would be racial profiling...no.
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