You're talking to someone who thinks Ali, Frazier and Norton are Gods.
But don't try to tell me that Sugar Ray Robinson or Roberto Duran or whoever from 20, 40 or 70 years ago is going to beat an elite modern fighter. Go watch some tape on Duran and then watch some tape on Pacquiao and tell me how Duran is going to beat him up.
Brian.
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
You're talking to someone who thinks Ali, Frazier and Norton are Gods.
But don't try to tell me that Sugar Ray Robinson or Roberto Duran or whoever from 20, 40 or 70 years ago is going to beat an elite modern fighter. Go watch some tape on Duran and then watch some tape on Pacquiao and tell me how Duran is going to beat him up.
Brian.
Elite? It's all in the temperament and work ethic, mortals are mortal, 147 is 147. One of the reasons you think the three named fighters are gods, is becasue the heavyweights have sucked for so long. One reason? Average heavy went 190 to 210 years ago, now they are all 230-250 with no stamina or skill.
I just don't now anyone can discount a Ray Robinson against ANY fighter of the same weight.
Elite? It's all in the temperament and work ethic, mortals are mortal, 147 is 147.
It's all in the technique.
Brian.
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
If you think Fraizer and Ali were gods, does this mean you believe they could take today's modern heavy? What does that say about your argument?
Heavyweight has sucked for a long, long time. Ali in his prime would have cleaned up today's division, yesterday's divison, or any heavyweight division. He had the tools.
Brian.
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
Unless he gets in a financial or contractual bind, no.
Brian.
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
"You set your own goals for success, and when you succeed it don't necessarily mean that you're going to be a big star or make a lot of money or anything. You'll feel it in your heart whether you've succeeded or not." - Roy Buchanan
You are not listening, that was after Lamotta beat him the first time, that he went to 41-1.. then he ran his record to 126-1 until losing again to Randy Turpin in 1951
I got a box of bullets with your name on them.
I get the Lomatta fights confused, but the point I'm making is that at one point he was 126-1, do you dispute that?
Robinson was 85-0 as an amateur with 69 of those victories coming by way of knockout, 40 in the first round.
He turned professional in 1940 at the age of 19 and by 1951 had a professional record of 128-1-2 with 84 knockouts.
Robinson held the world welterweight title from 1946 to 1951, and won the world middleweight title in the later year. He retired in 1952, only to come back two and a half years later and regain the middleweight title in 1955.
He then became the first boxer in history to win a divisional world championship five times, a feat he accomplished by defeating Carmen Basilio in 1958 to regain the middleweight championship. Robinson was named "fighter of the year" twice: first for his performances in 1942, then nine years and over 90 fights later, for his efforts in 1951.
He defeated other Hall of Fame fighters such as Jake LaMotta, Carmen Basilio, Gene Fullmer, Carl 'Bobo' Olson, Henry Armstrong, Rocky Graziano and Kid Gavilan. Robinson engaged in 200 pro bouts, and his professional career lasted nearly 26 years.
