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Nope...and by-the-way...the rollmark is on the action...not on the barrel.

That's important

It really is. It's evidence that one does not know which end is up. And is very factual about it.

If you feel that I care what anyone thinks....think some more.

I have no feelings vested in the matter...and rational thinking is not your strong suit.

My only vested intrest is truth. On some Howa/Vanguards the safties are different.

The Vaguard has an different bolt shroud than the Howa. It is solid at the back. This adds more weight to the firing pin assembly (a disadvantage) but it gives it a clean look (if you like that).

Because one cannot tell the Vanguard in is the cocked position by looking at the back of the bolt assembly (because of the different shroud), the Vanguard has extend metal on the "cocking" piece (different in it's length to the Howa) so that one can visually see that the firing pin is in the fire position.

Minor differences are the fact that standard barrel length on the Vanguard is 24" vs 22" on the Howa, the Vanguard has minor fluting on the bolt, and the fact that the Vanguard uses slotted head actions screws whereas the current Howas use hexhead. Not to mention the fact that the rollmark is on the action not on the barrel.

I'm sure your're a great guy Swampman...(in person)...but you really come of as someone talking above his intelligence on the board. Not that you care.

Welcome and great post. I too have found the Federal Fusion ammo. to be very accurate in all my .308's (except one). I use the 150 gr. loads and have gotten exceptional accuracy except from an old Mossberg 800 that I bought for giggles.

Years ago I bought some "Monarch" 150 gr. .308 loads. This is a store brand for Academy in Texas. They shot so bad, I used them for plinking and for fouling shots at the range just to clean the barrel. They were absolutely terrible for accuracy in both my other two .308's and I considered them trash. The 150 grain Fusions shined. In the Mossberg, the first three times I shot the Monarch loads they clustered in a nice little 3/4" triangle and the Fusions scattered all over. I guess I am a liar about the Monarch stuff. Go figure!