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"looser" ???

Too funny!

C'mon fellers.

this thread ain't about geetars, Palin or wood.

Unless ya get wood thinking about Palin.


Beside, Art... Got to expect those libs to stick their feathers together.

Glad ya liked it. Keep up the campaign. You need to keep a tight hold on all the straws you can find, no matter how flimsy.

I always think about doin her whenever I see her. She has a pretty mouth too. Just sayin.

Rethought.

I don't think her husband is that good looking, not into dudes though...

So, what about the don't ask, don't tell policy?

She is a MILF!

Wouldn't mind a little over penetration on that..

I would want her to leave her glasses on.

I'm not going to [bleep] Larry, John, JeffO, Sarah or Todd, but I could have climbed Everest on the oxygen that's been wasted making this thread.

Brent
Do you teach in absolutes, too?

You are going to let Martin Guitars make all the decisions for the entire acoustic instrument world? Even if they are just opinions? Even if red spruce from the Adirondacks is the best for Martin guitar tops, does that make it best for every style guitar? And from every maker? Do you expect Martin to advertise their guitars as having pulpwood tops? Or to hype something tough to come by? You really have to be kidding...

I wonder what the best Cremona fiddle makers use and call best... hmmm... care to guess?

As to Sarah, you knowingly used her performance on a severly edited interview tape to smear her. You absolutely knew it was not a true rendition of how she had done, clearly exposing your contempt for her. That is intellectual dishonesty any way you look at it. And you maintained the point after being called on it... That is special.

Art et al,

I would encourage you to dealve a little deeper into the world of guitars before saying that Sitka is best because it's used the most. It just ain't so. As I've already explained, Sitka is what most everyone who makes any real quantity of guitars uses because they HAVE to. It's what's available. A very similar thing happened with Brazilian vs. Indian Rosewood, and for that matter there are several variations of mohagony that have come into and out of broad use due to supply constraints.

Take a look at the Collings, Santa Cruz, Dana Bourgoise, Taylor, and Martin websites, in particular the sections pertaining to their very top end stuff. There, or on the many forums where guitar nerds talk about this stuff and no doubt fight and argue just like we do here over cartridges and whatnot, you will find descriptions and de-facto "rankings" of the spruce top woods. Sitka will rarely top the list.

In the guitar world one runs into tops made of Sitka, German, Engleman, and Adirondack spruce. I can't tell you the Latin name for what spruce is what, because in the industry we don't go there. Obviously at least a couple of those are industry-specific names but hey, that's what we call 'em. Do you own research and see.

I can tell you Sitka isn't considered the top spruce, by builders or the tone mafia guys either <grin>.

Interestingly, the overall design of a guitar can tilt things towards one top wood or the other, such that Sitka might indeed be the "best" top wood on a given design. How the top is braced and tensioned plays into this. An extreme example of how much the top matters, would be Taylor guitars circa mid-90's. They tended towards harshness and brittleness (some would say "clarity") to the point that I actually preferred a CEDAR top on that design. On the other hand, a more euphonic guitar design like the Martin, which tend to be a lush, chimey guitar (talking "normal models here) can be muddy with a cedar top. And yes I've played cedar-topped dreadnaught Martins.

At any rate, Sitka is a fine, fine tonewood. It's what's on my OM-28V and I'd put that guitar against ANY 000-sized long scale guitar in the world, regardless of price. It's a monster.

But that's not really the point. The point is Big Stick declared Sitka to be the best, said all the top builders agree, etc. That's just not so. Since he's so into bustin' balls when he sees what he perceives as someone speaking over their pay grade I thought he at least deserved a polite correction.

Guitar woods and tone are things I am very intimate with, and not as a hobbyist. It was my livelyhood. There was a time not so long ago I was one of the, I dunno, top 25 or top 50 most knowledeable people on the west coast about the minutia of high-end acoustic guitar tones from the top builders, across their models, with the various wood combos. This was because I worked for too many years at one of the premier boutique high-end guitar shops on the west coast and, in the interest of banking 4% commissions on $2k- $15k or MORE guitars, it behooves one to play them... go to lunch with the reps and builders when they are in town, buy and own them yourself, and play them play them play them. And I did. Every day. One right after the other. Same exact model of Collings but one is Sitka, the other Adirondack. One has Brazilian rosewood, one Indian. Etc etc etc day after [bleep] day until you are so sick of hi-end guitars and gacking about stupid chit (like top woods, lol) that you want to puke <g>.

If you or VA really care to learn more, some quick googling will give the broad picture. I'm sure there's someone out there declaring Sitka best but the broad consensus is otherwise.

JeffObama;

I know absolutely nothing about guitars. Don't ever pretend to.

What I do know, is a bit more about forestry and trees than you care to fathom.

And, that's what I'm hitting you on.

Now, if you want to cite "Adirondack" as a specific, legitimate species of spruce, then so be it.

Otherwise, you remain ignorant and erroneous.

As you do with more things in your life...

In the industry which Stick was addressing, which is to say the acoustic guitar industry, the term has all the meaning in the world. I suspect it'd be a trivial matter to google up the Latin name for you right now on my phone, but it wouldn't change a thing in terms of the point I've made, and that you are trying to obfuscate.

You are being deliberately obtuse, and can't seem to manage a simple polite debate without interjecting personal jabs. I see it was a mistake to try to interact with you. My bad.

Have to tell you V, I would not care to debate Jeff on this subject as he seems to know his bickies from bread about guitars.

Maybe so, but the subject is far from closed. Read some of the dissenting comments here:
http://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/showthread.php?53619-Sitka-vs-Adirondack-spruce-top

Not all soundboards get used on guitars...
Not all luthiers agree on what sound qualities are best...
Not all wood from a given species and source will test the same, not even from the same tree... And there are huge overlaps in mechanical properties.
Few "experts" pass any tests of consistency of sound discrimination when tested against proper meters.

There is more bullscat in guitar making than the average Kansas feedlot.

I shall take your word for it as it is a subject I know jack about.