Been Huntin' and missed the Windowlicking Chronichles...though I much look forward to her "thoughts"...............

Bump?!!?

Laffin'............

I got another question BS--who let the REAL idiot back in?

Originality waned and she ran off for an extended pout... But has returned and still has the same clue she started with... none... Though I can only tell by the very occasional quote that comes up.

It is too painful for me to read and I actually have it on ignore.

You gotta be more specific.

Thinkin at least one is scared...and the other(s) is/are glad.

WHO DA' HECK YOUSE DOODZ SPEAKIN' 'BOUT?

Can't muster a care for whereabouts of idiots.

I'm thinking one or two of them are working for me.

Where did the idiot go???

My guess would be at the Whitehouse eating a bucket of KFC.

The real one just got back from huntin'.

That one gave me a grin!! I think you are right.

I see pu'sscoyote is flapping her gums too.

These Day Dreamers do crack me up.............

Heard it, but cannot go there. Some thigns are too pathetic to be funny.

I'll slow roll casts and keep the lures on the surface and then beat melons at my feet.

Mainly because I can and because it cracks me up.................(grin)

Hey BS--how much longer u think you're gonna last here...once again, with that childlike attitude...sir! Reminds me of an excellent quote i heard in a movie not long ago--"The days of honoring yourself will soon be at an end."

Of course once u gets yourself kicked off again, bet it'll be their fault instead of yours, ehh?

If i were in charge of this forum, and saw a post like what you put on here, i'd give u the spankings u shoulda' got long ago, but missed out on, besides getting kicked out.

If the truth be known, i believe you're one of the most despicable individuals i've ever had the pleasure of not meeting, and that will be my last word on the matter of you.

You can't even keep your pinhead above water and it is well beyond funny that you imagine aloud,that you've even a first clue.

How much Botox is in them pouty lips?..................

You lose the camera? Especially like pics of your rifles all comfortable on the love seat in the parlor. <GRIN>

What have you been hunting, and let's see some pics.

"Give Spankings" WTF? Must be an american thing.

Her way of saying,that besides taking stupidity to impressive levels,she'd get knocked out too.

More of a stupidity thing.................

Yesterday were epic,with greenwater flying over the windshield and nearly making my Ti cringe. Was shipwrecked,coupla days before that. Daybreak now and fixin' to throw rifles in the water crummy and brave another storm.

Film at 11:00...................

Good job sscoyote. I think the campfire would be a lot better place without this piece of work. He has nothing positive to offer anyone. He likes to attack people based on ideas he's formed from his own ignorance. He's the only one I have on ignore because I don't have time for his (BS) childish remarks. BSA.

The two of you couldn't pour pizz out of a boot,on the first try...............

If they do figure it out... you'll drown...

Don't worry, I'm pretty quick to figure things out and I'm sure there are plenty of great guys here on the fire that would be "quick" to follow suit ;), bsa.

+1.

For me, he really adds nothing to these forums with all of his gibberish, just taking up bandwidth.

Like it.

Too funny .... Laffin'

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pu'ssycoyote's insecurities,be very well founded.

Laffin'..............

One thing for sure sugartits,is you'll always have your imagination working overtime. I get quite a kick outta the Do-Nothin' Gang and their incessant high pitched whining.

Soothing,for certain.............

Pretty easy to be a tough guy... when you're the best armed Oompa Loompa in Alaska...

hehe

In fairness...I've seen me go and it is rather sumptin'. I'll never not get a kick outta a Window Licker being in soooooooo far over her head,that she's forced to grasp madly at straws.



Hope that didn't horn too many women up...............

I keep hearing that song in the backround.....Y. M. C. A.

They hadn't the balls,to pull it off................(grin)

Yep... I guess they said it right... "bad hobbits are tough to break"...

Laffin'

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My bad...as I'm more than a whole bunch [bleep] good at casting,setting the hook and reeling Do-Nothin's in(replete with their Imaginations).




I've little qualm bashing same in their heads.



Though I gotta say,I heard a rumor that you can whip my azz.

Laffin!....................

Lemme' cast you a glimmer of false hope(s). If only in fairness.

Nice light here.............

I'll admit my 6"1" frame has a tough time making a 14" trout look that big... Kudos!

WHO is a afraid of a big puzzy? Save needledicks?

Do-Nothin's is hilarious..................

Easy there Frodo... don't get short with me...

You are slighted in soooooo many ways,it ain't THAT funny.

Just kiddin',it sure as schitt is!..............

That is a huge flippin' tree!

Actually it's a 19" diameter birch tree...

You know--i was done but that pic takes the cake. How'd i know u looked like that and acted like that also in real life? I mean it reminds me of my wife's home in the PI. The way she described it was exactly the way i pictured it--u 2 BS--the epitome of perfection--oh and BTW--"LAUGHING". U amaze me man--in front of all the world no less. Who in the H do u think u are man? U need your own ministry. Let's call it...BSery. Oh heck i forgot u already gots it right here at the 'fire. Let's call them, oh i don't know hows about "BS and the BSers." Lord have frickin' mercy.

Gotta admit, that right there is TFF!!!

You gals will ALWAYS have your Dreams...and them shortcomings is THE definition of HILARIOUS.

Too funny!................

pu'ssycoyote,

I missed your vocation(do extoll).

Laffin'................

Sonny--wanna' pull out yours for a comparison--you first.
BTW, I am...an Archangel--how's that?

WHAT kind of putting from the rough [bleep],is that homeless roadkill-eater aspiring to?.

Looks like a "Trade In Your [bleep] Party" and someone left center stage,with several lips estranged.

WoooooHooooooooo!..............

Holy cow, this guy keeps goin and goin and goin (kinda like the energizer bunny). Your wife said if you were like that in the bedroom she wouldn't need a boyfriend

Can't believe i let u pull me into your world BS. Back to normality for me. Adios.

You do-nothin's...........Ummm,well....,uhhh,erst..........

Don't do nothin'.

Though I'll grant you an invite to expound upon how very LITTLE you do.

Laffin'..............

The crazy part about it honestly is that the moderators have let this thread and you go on so long. Is there no justice left in this world?

Trust me, there are many people that have the same opinion. They are the ones that are affraid of this bully and say nothing. I've got him on ignore and it seems to help until someone starts quoting him. He's childish and tries to bring people down to his level. Too bad we have to put up with this type of behavior on the fire. It is a shame the moderators don't handle it better, bsa.

You are AS dumb as prescribed and I reckon that REALITY...makes you crave some help via Moderation.

Funny part is,nobody can keep your stupidity...from you.

Laffin!................

Oooops...another Do-Nothin',has her Estrogen levels askew.

Laffin'!............

I know what u mean--it's like he's the devil incarnate or something. I mean he never stops. I can honestly say that i don't think i've ever met a personality before with this much hate of his fellow man.

You mean the mirror of reality,slaps your Do-Nothin' face a might too hard?.

THAT is funny!..............

Just ignore his childish posts. He has nothing positive to offer anyone anyways. BSA.

Willy Wonka is gonna be pizzed when he finds out you're on his computer again man...

Oompa, Loompa, Dupity Doo
Do what I say or I'm smarter than you...

Oompa, Loompa, Dupity Dire
I am the troll of 24hourcampfire...

What do you get not doing what 'Stick says
Bonked with a stick right up side the head...
He'll fill you up, you'll get sicker and sicker
That's what you get for being a windowlicker...

Oompa, Loompa Dupity Didget
Listen to me I'm a rifle building midget...

Oompa, Loompa Dupity Daned
Don't fret too much for soon I'll be banned...

Ummm, you do know that Stick is a fisherman.....don't you?


Stick, you are a naughty, naughty boy.....now go sit in the corner and stop picking on the other children.

Too funny,a brace of douchebags,clawing for sanctity in eachother!

Next...they'll extoll their Minimum Wage vocations and yet utter another whine.(grin)

Stupidity is an amazing comedic vehicle!................

I'm a fan of breadth,when laughing at inherent stupidity!...........(grin)

So was your performance in The Wizard of Oz... which Lolipop Kid were you again?

Lick screens and dream dreams.

You gals crack me up!............

Anyone else see the resemblance?

Heh, keep the pics coming....I don't get to see country like that.

Noone does,but pupshooter feigns a clue...which of course defines humor.

She'll dig this one too.............(grin)

Wanna see/hear sumptin' funny?!?

Ask Dogboy to hang a pic.

Laffin'!...................(grin)

Got me rollin there. I do see the resemblance. Now just photoshop a log under him and I think you will have a winner

I think a Lincoln log would sufice...

God that was great--actually i do. Christ i really did "laff'" out loud at that 1! Love it when he posts all these pics about himself--definitely not all about him ehh?

I know i shouldn't post anymore on this BSery, but i just can't help myself.

You poor gals and your Imaginations?!!?

Laffin'!...........

Yeah you should see the size of the ruler he uses to measure his group size among other things

God--he posted another 1, can u believe it?

You Do-Nothin' Gals,always crack me up!............

Say what you will fellas.....Stick lives in gorgeous country.

Oh, come on Australia--please don't feed the monkey!

Like pu'ssycoyote says...you'd best tip your hat.............

Hey BS--who took all these pics of you--your ma?

You poor grasp at straws..do nuttin' Dreamers.



Must be rough,being you.

Laffin'................

I requested that Stick post more.....feel free to show me your country as well.

I live in flat country and like to see mountains.

Hey no one, do you like snow? Here's what it looked like the other day in my neck of the woods:

The Do-Nothin's are stuck...doin' nothin'. Their gross "experience",is stuffing Tampax in their twats.

Which never ain't not funny!

This one's for you man, even though it's tainted because it's on a thread entitled "Where'd the Idiot Go" by his truly--

Is that a [bleep] Map?...............

I'm sure the idiot (I mean the OP) wouldn't mind if we post some pics for no one.

Don't think the moderators will mind much if we hijack this thread, huh? What do you think world?

Uno mas Aussie friend--

Your Romance is your own business.



You poor Window Lickers couldn't pour piss out of a boot!................

Moderator hasn't cared so far. I'd say uno mas for sure.

Looks like Oprah,wearing a Rape Whistle,RayBan's and being devoid a clue.

Congratulations?!!?...............

You do know he'll never change don't u BSA--i mean when is the last time you met a wierdo that knew he was one?

When the Window Lickers default to talking to Window Lickers...they've RUN their Imaginary Course!

TOO funny!................

BTW BS and rest of the world--Happy Thanksgiving!

I don't know what he's posting because I have him on ignore. If you say he thinks he's a weirdo I totally believe you because of the bs he's posted before. He's also the all knowing too.

Same to you too ssc.

Just DREAM..bitches.............

When it is not raining I shall post a couple of pics of my flat country......which is all of around here.

You expound on "nothingness".

Congratulations?.............

Sounds good, do you have any of any Ausie game you've taken?? That would be pretty cool too. BSA.

I have been in snow exactly once, and your picture is as close as I want to be again.

Hilarious!..............

The vast majority of my shooting has been professional, the fun has been on Sambar, Fallow, pigs and such.

Not much for pictures of dead things, but have posted a couple of commercial roo harvesting.

Things like this.

Talk to you later no one. Have a happy thanksgiving. BSA.

Aww, you're missing out! Up on Bachelor:

Jeff, thanks for showing him what our state looks like. Have a happy and safe thanksgiving.

No one, I thought that was you. I searched for these pics, but couldn't find them. A pleasure to talk to you. bsa.

You've been here for over five friggin' years and you post something as stupid as that??

Censorship is NOT what Rick B. is about here. Want your momma to hold your hand?? I've heard of a place called Grey-[bleep] or sumptin like that. Go check'em out ... they'll make sure no one picks on you ....

Speaking of no one ... is Sonnie back from the dead??? Or living with Elvis down-under??

Those that can't do for themselves,like to Goat [bleep] nothingness.(grin)

It's their way..............

Just sayin'...........

Who is Sonnie?.......Elvis' ghost probably is here, most other weirdo's have been let in.

Couple more snow pics...

You [bleep]' retards....

Oh. I forgot this was one of your "fight" threads. Carry on.

Tell u what A, how's about we put it to a vote? That's what should be done! Here's the way i and others see it--you're either for integrity, or BS. WHAT IS IT?

I know another with great integrity that left this forum because of this thing, whatever it is. I can't believe that u can't see that this guy's a problem here. Actually that's not true, there are those that will support this kinda' crap, or the idea of it. It's not the 1st time i've seen it in my life.

And what is this crap you're spewing about my momma holding my hand? When is the last time u saw someone on this forum stand up to this guy like me. Think i wouldn't do it in real life?

Oh and now you and your cronies are attacking the Aussie? Who or what in the H do u think u are? Trying to start a war with Australia now. U PIECE OF FRIGGIN CRAP!!!

U guys are not worth speaking to anymore.

I'd tell you to quit while you're ahead, but you've never been ahead, and it ain't a contest.

A little dab of this might also help you:

If Stick is gonna light little fires everywhere then show up every day to pour gas on 'em... which at least isn't boring, I'll give it that... perhaps Rick should set up a group buy on the stuff.... <grin>........

Nobody has picked a fight with me, on the contrary....they have all posted the pictures that I asked to see.

And truth be known....I am not adverse to picking a blue now and then myself.
I just do not see anything interesting enough to have a spat about.


Jeff.....terrific pictures, too cold for me though.

Just funny how some think they're heroically defending the kingdom, fighting dragons and all sorts of evil beings, while the king sits back and laughs his azz off.

I've been in a few stick arguments myself...But my god man, take a valium..its the frikken Internet.

Just give BS enough time.....he'll get around to you soon enough......if he doesn't get banned (again) first.......


Casey

I nominate this "gem" for the larry nut licker of the year award.

And if I am in the right mood I shall probably play along....depends entirely on how bored I am at the time.

Reading comprehension really is fundamental, but then I wouldn't expect anything less from you. Seriously, Dumbphuck, who owns/runs/operates this board (hint, it ain't Big Stick and there's even a few clues for you in the above posts)?

Gets my vote.

Can't believe I just read this stupid thread. I must be bored.

GreatWaputi, I'll be in your area chasing Lions hopefully next week. You seeing lots of snow out there?

Not much in the way of snow in the Provo area. Weather forecasters were predicting a huge storm day before yesterday and even closed schools, offices, etc. early, but it pretty well fizzled. It's frigg'n cold though!

What part of the state are you going to be in?

Not familiar with Utah, but I have an entire central region tag I won at the mule deer foundation auction.

DIY or are you hiring a guide?

Loving the Logging photos, never seen trees that big, thanks for sharing.

Gotta say though the first time I saw this pic, YMCA popped right into my head. Had a good chuckle to myself.

Ya'll keep posting those pictures, nice to see other parts of the world, and don't take this internet stuff so seriously. One of the best things about the fire is Rick pretty much lets us behave how we see fit. If ya don't like it, or can't handle it, well you don't have to. Just leave.

K She has some pent up homo stuff..

Oh ya. I was hoping for lots of snow this week, but checking the weather after your comment, it did seem to fizzle out. Damn!

You were HOPING for lots of snow.....are you mad!

You know- i had a simple epiphany last night i guess. I thought this board was started awhile back as a place for guys to hang out and talk about shooting. I didn't really know much about all the intracacies of this place. Some boards follow a general tone of goodliness and comraderie until someone steps in and turns it upside down, but usually their shot down quickly. Big Stick and his ministry dominate this board and guys have to send u a multitude of PM's to let you know this. Didn't John Barsness start this board here? I thought he did. If so i have a question for him--is this the end result of his efforts? Is this the dream that he had here? One thing's for sure i now know who's really in charge here. What a shame. I was raised to believe in certain ways of treating others and when i see that not happening then i have always stepped in and gotten some bruises and broken bones for it--all 5'5" 130 lbs. of me believe it or not, but sometimes the bully loses and that was GREAT when it happened.

One thing's for sure--definitely gonna' be great not having to read "laffin boollitt" anymore!

Forgot that before i leave here i want to go on record for saying i'm sorry for attacking Avagadro like i did. I was wrong.

laffin boollitt....who is that?

Nah, it will come soon.

You saw YMCA. When I saw the photo - Hrumph! not such a big tree, just a little man.

Rick Bin started this site.

Some are so far beyond a clue that I'm surprised they can even tie their own shoes; 'course, there is always Velcro.

same kids who would run and tell the teacher as soon as your back was turned

That's the spirit!.....



Casey

Actually, no_one's general attitude on such stuff would play well throughout this forum and all others I visit. Take it, leave it..........no real difference.

Some here (alot, actually), see themselves as the answer (whether discernable most times or not) to all questions posed or not. If answers aren't even the desired end result, then some just feel the need to disparage others as their 15 minutes of daily fame need to be stoked.......for their own reasons.

Lots of great threads and info abound here, great pics and stories of successes and of learning experiences. Much of each that we can all either learn from or relate to.

In that some members, fortunately and/or by their own choice, live in area's much more bountiful in game/fish than people and tags are given out in high #'s purely based on the depth of one's wallet and overabundance of animals, I still remain somewhat amazed and amused at some audience members remarkable capacity to deem or view the #'s of animals killed by this guy or that as some kind of extraordinary, superhuman, beyond the normal hunter's ability to do so.

Seems like when we (a few anyway) assign such lofty reputations to certain members, based seemingly more on geography, quantity and accessability alone, we not only enhance and welcome such disparaging comments from these "much more knowledgeable types" which have no problems stating the "only truths or perfect approaches" on many subjects, but by taking up such positions (most contentious, it seems), these same 1%er's must also know that they are making some members feel somehow less adequate............which I'm beginnning to think is the desired result and works very well for a chosen few, but doesn't do much for the entire membership as a whole.

A bit of a pain-killer induced response (quite literally), but these are my feelings as best I can currently describe them. Needless to say, there seems to be much less useful info (if any) from threads such as this as opposed to what might have evolved from, well...........any other thread title.

Hope you all had a great Turkey Day!

Striking resemblance....

Bwaahahahaahahaaa....or this one



Laffin'.

Very nice write-up magnumb. I'm sure the consensus would be in your favor. I'd also have to agree with you about the thread title. Seems the OP was just searching for a fight and found a pretty good one. I get a lot out of the campfire and am happy I joined. It is, however, a shame you have some that like to bring others down the way this joker does. BSA.

Need it for chasing cats....


Travis

i wish this thread would DIE. it only keeps reminding us of the BS....."there's a pun there"

Hell if I wore a shirt that short my manhood would be hangin out. Course I guess yours aint big enough to hang out.
Then again you are postin a half naked picture of yourself for mostly a bunch of guys. That is a little freaky.

John

Hey .....split that bitch up and bring it down....I need some firewood. That burn long time!

This coming from the single Jersey boy in a house full of young boys...

There you go again with the homo stuff. You should really start getting worried with yourself. Got anything else? How about you post a picture of something you killed this year? Get some honor and grow some balls..

When I'm single and living in a house full of young boys I'll start to worry!

Ha ha ha ha ha ... Jersey boy can dish it out but can't take it

Honor? You, the internet's biggest toady wants to talk about honor. Stick to what you know Jersey Boy. (in other words keep your [bleep] mouth shut!)

And btw I posted a pic of the buck I took this year. Do a search.

It's rather humorous that the only people I've have give me guff about being a foster parent are morbidly obese, saggy titty old sows, and one manic depressive... Amazing how you fit that description too! If you want me to apologize for being a foster parent to four orphans.. well, you ain't gonna get that from me.

First you verbalize you fantasy about oral sex with men, and now talk about your dreams of diddling young men. You are a piece of work.

Keep your chins up K-She..

That's all they got, Calvin.
It would be nice to see one of these fellows in person and see if they still wanted to talk trash.
Just sayin..........

PU'ssycoyote,

I dig that you THINK you are making a "stand",but Reality is...you are simply operating at the limitis of your comprehension(which DO define humor).

Cyber Hanky to you.................

K-She,

I fairness,I'm STILL diggin' your cross-eyed Avatar with that Rat Buck and the minimum-wage/pan handling ways you look to reconnect to your Daddy,Savage99.

It reiterates how you like tools,belong in a like box.................

Shiete talkers are the first ones to shed tears from the fetal position while threating police interaction or law suits.

Nice thing is Oregon still allows one to punch an arsehole in the face if said insult would cause a violent reaction from a normal person. So if KCandthesunshineband called you a chimo to your face while you are in Oregon you get to legally pound on his fat round mellon.

Just a thunk...

Kinda funny that they can't ever see it.

HOW could it get funnier,than listening to them that CAN'T..."explain" to others that simply DO?!!!? It do define hilarity and I'll never get enough.

Too funny!........

Pussy.................

Get a life you pos.

Feel FREE to TRY and Trump a Day of my Life...you sorry [bleep] poser..................

Sorry Toots,

This will go over your pinhead too.....

Ooops!...nice "try".................

It's cool...you'll ALWAYS have your [bleep] imagination.


Laffin'...........

Ah, yes....

The "old" Campfire is back, in right smart fashion to boot....

Carry on, as beer is in hand, and popcorn coming to the ready.

Never ain't fun.....

Stick what is tree like that worth?

Dink

Guessin'..IS the riskiest of bidnesses.(grin)

I'll take a bow.............

Given Market conditions when I swept a tree off it's stump(and Jap's at the ready,to mark Grade),I've never killed a tree worth more than $200,000.......................

Schit the bed......I thought 5 or 10 thousand......

Dink

God only knows what the japs do with that big stuff.

I've cut $50,000 logs.......................

That's alot a Charmin...

Never imagined it being that much. Then again, I'm not in the tree cutting business.

Here's more than "bsa","K-She" and make in a [bleep] year................

you should see what old growth hardwoods bring

Laffin'.

Feel free to expound..............

no expert stick just watched a show the other day where small planks of old growth maple was going for several thousand.used for musical instruments

Rogue,

If youre going to be a follower to smurfette you have to get your facts straight.

First it's "KC and the dumbshine band". Make a note of it.
"Melon" has only one l.
Calcium and vitamin D helps build strong bones. Even your backbone.

Just a thunk...

Sink it, and store it.

Thanks Sean.

Sitka Spruce trumps all in acoustics. Bt/dt.

Ask ANY builder...................

THE constant being,you are a dumbphuck!.

And at minimum wage to boot(best case scenario).................

You need some new material. Seriously!

You're reminding me of some pathetic standup comic in a off the strip $hithole in Vegas.

Only much shorter of course.

The very best violins used spruce and maple and still have never been replicated or bettered to this day...

Guitars are made from a multitude of woods and combinations there of, but maple and mahogany is a very traditional combination..

FIL used to repair and re build all manor of antique furnature but he also worked on stringed instruments and was always on the look out for quality wood that had been correctly seasoned..He had bog-oak that he had laid way for over twenty years and some teak that was even older...

Never called myself a follower. Don't recall anyone I fought side by side even hinting me a follower. Glad to see you think you can ID leaders and followers. Don't expect you could get a dog to follow you if you were packing raw meat.

Stick with what you think you know, male members and chimo talk. Hope it all works out for you.

Next time you're crying to the man in blue about how you got your arse kicked in by some smerf you can correct the officers spelling in his report. I sure he'll straighten up and take note.

Facts....simply remain facts.

I get a kick out of your being oblivious to same,in the same way I get a kick out of you thinking you're sane.

Laffin'...............

If you mean "acoustic guitars", then I'd disagree. Aderondack (sp?) spruce is the premium spruce. It's what the old Martins used, generally, before the it pretty much ran out, for commercial purposes. You can still get it, at a huge upcharge, on very high-end acoustics like Collings or the "real" Martins or whatever.

Won't vouch for this as fact, but it's interesting so I'll pass it along. I was told by the Martin rep, over a beer, that Martin bid on, but lost, the last stand of big Aderondack spruce, back in the day. For guitar tops of course. Anyway, guess who won the bid.....? The National Matchstick Company.

Brutal.

Carry on with the pizzin' match, gents.

FWIW, it's Adirondack. As in, the Adirondacks of New York. And, that's not a species, or even a subspecies; merely a geographic location (albeit a very famous one).

YOU..define "[bleep] stupid".


Congratulations?...............i

Laffin'..............

the timber that they were talking about on this show i saw came from the bottom of a lake way up north. the logs had been sunk and on the bottom of the lake since the turn of the last century. they used scuba to retrieve them

Still don't negate simple facts.

I'm figuring the "lake" was one of the following:

Champlain,
Erie,
Huron,
Michigan,
Ontario,
Superior.

I'm simply talkin' volume and it's price.

Because I've done it all.................

I was wondering if I could be the idiot??

Is that Ok with everyone since we never did figure out who Lil Fish was asking about.

Hope this is not a hijack as this thread is in the optic forum.

Feel free to feign a clue,then charge $5000 for it.

Laffin'...........................

could be don't remember the name but what supposedly made this wood special was that it was original old growth from the Forrest that had not been logged

Popcorn ain't gonna handle this...

Going for the peanuts, and the pretzels.......

Or simply POST something "free".

Laffin'....................

It stands.................

Finally, some excitment around here..

It's been quieter than a retirement center lately..

FWIW, They did sink a lot of old timber in Lake Superior...

Damn Lil Fish,

Do I get to be the idiot or not???

You are ALWAYS stuck,being you.

NOONE else wants THAT!..................

Some don�t even want to shoot against me.

Laffin'!................

(I didn't wanna hurt'cha!)

I'll take one at that price!

She can't set a price,nor manage same.....................(grin)

Laffin'.................

Come on,

Am I the idiot or not?? It is your post.

Utah?


THAT is funny!..................

When and Where??

Everywhere...................

Stick:

How long does it take to cut through a tree that size? How many cc's are those saws? Don't think my little Husky 445 would be up for the task, haha.


thanks.

Ask these B&C Stock Folk............(grin)

I have NO idea what`s going on, I just keep coming back to see if BS has posted more pics. I`ve never seen tree`s like those in my life, can`t imagine what it`s like to see one of those come down.

loud

Lil Fish,

I am admitting the big timber shcitt is pretty cool, as it seems from your slightly disturbing self portrait that you have managed to not saw into your leg with that huge saw you are toting.

That being said we still need to throw some lead down range.

It's a Smoke Show.

Them that can't...got smoked.......(grin)

I knew that spelling looked wrong.

Be that as it may, in the guitar world Adirondack spruce is a known quantity, and is generally regarded as the premium top wood. Sitka spruce is another, no doubt, but Adirondack is the chit.

The bluegrass boys love Adirondack because it's very "direct" and throaty sounding. Sitka is more shimmery. Generally speaking. Acoustic guitars are singularities, individuals, but one can make general statements IF you've literally played many hundreds of the top builder's guitars. Which I have.

spruce is lumber......grin

You take "Stoooopid!"...to new levels.

Dig you're feigning a [bleep] clue...idiot

Laffin'...............

When and Where Lil Fish??

Did/done and a few days ago.

Groovin' on you sorry bastards...........(grin)

When and Where Lil Fish??

Repeat of your dumbphucktitude............

Laffin'............

Lol.... Might as well make matchsticks out of the stuff, eh?

Brazilian rosewood is cool stuff. Can be gorgeous to look at, and the tone (as a body wood) is awesome defined. I had a '70 Brazilian 000-28; I sold it when it became worth crazy money. Most all acoustics built with rosewood now use Indian rosewood, which isn't nearly as interesting to look at, nor typically sounds as good.

Though I do have a cherry-picked recent Martin OM-28V with Indian rosewood body that is a frikkin' cannon.

Only joshing you guys.But as far as building a house is concerned I'd rather use spruce over pine or fir.

You NEVER have even had a [bleep] clue.

Which IS [bleep] FUNNY!.................

When and where Lil Fish??

Lets shoot some lead and figure out who really knows how to get the hits.

It's cool.....


I',m WISHING for blue tape!....................................

Laffin'!.....

When and where Lil Fish??

Lets shoot some lead and figure out who really knows how to get the hits.

I think big stick is really the little girl in the pictures she posts and if her little harry short shirt wearing dad knew she was giving you boys a hard time he'd probably spank her a$$$. Just sayin..........

Stick... You are bouncing around like a Mezzican jumping bean here, and the quality of pizzin' match entertainment you provide is slipping accordingly.

I suggest less, but more carefully-tended fires. You've got a brand to protect here.

And FYI, I've forgotten more about guitars than you are likely to ever know. Not that knowing a lot about guitars is particularly admirable... lol... but I'm just sayin'.

Sitka spruce = species
Adirondack spruce = not

Which spruce from the Adirondacks are you referring to, Jeff?

Calling something, that which it ain't, don't make it something else than what it still is.

Night...night,

DUMBfuck.................

Big Stick is a known poster around here.... Unlike you new guys who show up thinking you know something.

STFU calvin...

I DO getta kick outta nothin.

TOO funny...............

Night Night Lil Fish.

Maybe if you try and be a good guy and help guys out like they say you used to we won�t have to go here again

K-She,

Crushed any Does lately?.........(laffin')

It's K-She.. Looked at your picture of you 2010 buck. Nice rack you got going there. And I'm not talking about the buck...

No does for me. One muley buck for me this season.
Shot any deer out of a sled lately? THATS REALLY SOMETHING!

You little ego maniac alaskan dumpling gang bangers are a riot!

Calvin, when they taught you to never leave your buddies behind. That isn't what they meant.

A swing and a miss calvin...

Hey isnt it about bath time?

Don't make me post it..

Hows that hunting a 1/4 mile from the road working for you?

Not going down this road with you, Sean. Google up "Adirondack spruce Collings Martin guitar", you'll soon learn that it's a VERY well known item in the guitar world. As is Sitka spruce, as is German spruce. Is "German spruce" an actual species? I don't know. Is it a widely used term in the guitar world? Ayup.

Sitka spruce is good stuff, no question. One of the best. But Stick is incorrect to say it's "best".

WGAFF?..

Works great, howd you do this year?

Its already posted you [bleep] retard.

You dont actually think I give a flying [bleep] what you and the dwarf think or "say" do you?

You wanna go there? I didn't shoot a spike, that's for sure..

Jenny Craig

It obviously hasnt worked for you...

What type of positive influence do you and BS add to the fire? Just because you live in AK doesn't mean chit to me. You need to get a life too.

I'll admit the 6 hour walk out hurt me.. Should have cut the buck in half?

Not the little ones. Just bone em out and throw in in your fanny pack.

You are right. I need to get a life.. 2010 of course.

Calvin,

You seem able to decipher Big Stickisms. Did he say I was the idiot or not???

FWIW, Calvin has been, and is, one of the GOOD fellas around here.

Where you start ponying up the kind of hours with kids he does, and offering out what he does, regularly, then run your trap about what he offers here or elsewhere.

As for 'Stick, I'd hazard that he's given more GOOD advice here, than you have anywhere.

Ya might want to pay attention some, prior to proving an old adage: "better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

B&C you dolt..

Fixed it for ya.

And you know me? You are a nimrod. Just because he has thousands of posts doesn't mean he is god.

Oh look, even the wannabe alaskan dumpling gang bangers are joining the fun.

You obviously lack as much classical understanding of the language as you do insight into who is and ain't what.

And, you're right, no one here knows you.

Which is to say, you ain't done/been schit here, or proven that you have/are anywhere else.

Unlike the two you're questioning, who've the BT/DT to prove it, and the reputation here and by those known here and elsewhere to back it up.

Ball's in your court, should you wish to return service with proving that you have anything to stand on.

Have at it...

It is fun. And I haven't even begun to post pics of 2010.. It was a good year.

Calvin;

Toss up some foster kid kill pics...

Just for BullShitArtist...

I don't want to risk K-She disrespecting the kids. He seems to roll like that. They had a pretty damn good 2010 too.

Douchious Maximus, did you ever figure out who owns/runs/operates this board yet?

Also wondering if you visited family for the holidays?

I'd not think him that low-class.

Have at it.

Got a new boat in 2010.. Gonna splash it and go cruising over Christmas. Gonna hunt some hog bears in it this spring too.. If I don't trade it first.

Stick may very well offer good advice from time to time but when he denigrates every opinion other than his own how do you take him seriously?
I've never encountered someone who places so much stock in his own opinions and so little in everyone elses. Nor have I encountered anyone who feels the need to belittle other people and the way their particular geography and economics force them to hunt.
For some here hunting and shooting is an enjoyable pasttime but one which falls into insignificance when weighed against the things that REALLY matter in life.

Oh, for the love of an AD.....

Again, showing your complete lack of understanding about the the people you're talking about.

Here's one for K-She.. Kids worked their assess off this year hunting. 2010 of course, just to keep things current.

A few fish for the kids.

Whats the skinny on this one?

Oldman1942/Framis/Karen/BossLady/LarryRoot...

AKA, KC's twin brother from a different mother.

laffin..Thought that.

Figuring different familial relation (if any), given the age variance...

Just so K-She don't feel left out..

2010 of course..

Nice pics.
Calvin. hows the back doing?

Calvin,

I dont like you. I think youre a ass kissing toady of the highest order.

However, I respect the fact that youre a foster parent. I have never made ANY disrespectful remarks directed at your kids. The comments that I made towards you were instigated by YOUR comment. I should have taken the high road and ignored it, but Im far from perfect. I apoligize.

Calvin and VA,

You guys are sticking up for him but he needs to understand that being the azzhole is a one way ticket to nowhere.

So he had some bad schit happen. Guess what tomorrow might bring more bad shcit and it might bring good shcit but trying to be the azzhat on every post won�t change that.

He obviously has a lot of knowledge and experience but who cares if all he wants is to fight with every post??

Lil guy and his first buck.. He got to pack out the head. 2010 of course.

If your gonna get a starting position on the alaskan dumpling gang B squad youre gonna have to do better than that...

I don't care what you say about me. My skin is extremely thick. But, if you want to take the "Calvin is a child molester" route, then I have to assume that MY kids are on the receiving end. Then it is about them...

Hey calvin I got a question for ya...

Have you ever even SEEN a mule deer?

You started it. Quit being a little bitch.

Can't forget Johnny Boy.. He's leaving at Christmas. Gonna be a sad day to see him go.

Nah.. Post some pics of your kids and what they've done?!

Like everything else.. 2010

I've asked 'Stick questions/advice, and gotten straight answers, every time.

I've argued with him, called him an azzhole, and been insulted back.

I've been invited by him to hunt with him and his, stay at his place, at his instigation, not mine.

I've seen him offer more than advice (think goods, hand's-on assistance, etc.) to several, some he'd never met nor will meet, with no prompting.

I've laughed at his schtick, and been laughed at because of it.

All in all, you take the good with the sometimes not-so-good, roll with it, and keep going.

Other than that, it's what you make of it.

Most of that comes with time, with seeing things, and with just being around and finding out who and what folks are, and aren't.

YMMV, of course.

You got those fellas going the right direction Calvin.Good job and Congrats to the young hunters.

We KILLED the trout in 2010..

VA: well said.

I would very much welcome the Stick you describe. Hell, 99% of the Fire would! Let's hope he shows up.

We are trapping wolves, mink, and martin starting next week.. It'll be a learning experience for all of us.

Ducks..

I to am looking forward to that Big Stick.

So far all I have met is Lil Fish.

Little guy can climb a mountain.. If I pack all his gear! Sat in the fog for a day watching a bowl after overnighting up top, hoping for wx to clear as I had a feeling a hog was home. Never did and we went home chilled to the bone. Good times..

Calvin, great pictures of the kids, damn fine job.

Seen Big Stick put a picture of a kid up a time or 3 hisself.

People getting their panties in a wad over delivery instead of context is interesting... their context must not measure a comparable retort.

Kent

I'll end with this one.. They get to use the good chit.

Calvin, be happy and proud that you have given these fine young kids the memories of many lifetimes.

Didnt think so.

Thanks Kent.

Sorry, I was too busy sorting through hundreds of 2010 pics. We plan to make 2011 2x as good, now that the boys are all trained up.

Yes, I've seen Mule Deer. Been to an area outside of Antelope OR more than a few times..

Thats real close to home.

Young Life camp (Big Muddy Ranch) by chance?

Washington Family Ranch. (YL) I'll be back there in June.

Cool. Pack a 5wt rod. If you have a free day I know a guy who has a drift boat and likes to float the Deschutes for redsides in June. He can be a stubborn ass some times, but hes a nice guy when you get to know him. Salmonflies should be out in force then.

Much better. I'll be back in the mountains next week. Sorta loosing that loving feeling for deer hunting though. Been chasing them since the end of July.

You're so awesome you come with your own paparazzi.

Laffin'

+ a Bajillion

Ditto here and spot on.

Amen Brother.

Indeed that is a fine thing you're doing. Way to go.

Stick is a Alcoholic that suffers from Dwarfism no more no less. Has serious personality issues that attracts many others who suffer some of the same issues as shown here.

Stick has serious personality disorder�s caused from being a dwarf and that repeatedly comes out in his actions. Who knows what the little guy went through growing up at least to the height he did make it to.

He can shoot albeit in a non formal environment which in his world is all that matters. It would not be advisable to underestimate his shooting abilities in certain non formal conditions.

Your reading comprehension is stunning...

Considering the above quote of mine was directed at BullShitArtist1917.

WTF is it with folks with dates in their screen names, anyway?

Blaine - good to see you back at the fire....

It'd be nice if ol' Stick didn't treat this forum like a horse he flogs for his own amusement. He's acting like a guy who's planning on getting kicked out of a bar anyway, so he's just gonna pick every fight, pinch every waitress, spill beer on every pool table, and piss in every corner until the bouncer finally tosses him.

Meanwhile other than just a few die-hard enemies, (and I'm not one), the rest of the patrons of the bar look on in bemusement at the spectacle and think: "[bleep], he seems like a hoot to have around and salty and knowledgeable to boot! Wish he'd settle down, pull up a chair, and stay a while!"

Just the view from the cheap seats...

Ever figure that's how the guy has lived life, since Day 1, taking everything on the table every day and leaving nothing left to want, if there ain't a next day?

The only folks he really frets, are those that are generally too damned uptight, and too thin-skinned in the first place.

Take a jab, give a jab, stay in good-nature and humor, and the whole thing takes on a MUCH different cast.

You could wager as heavily as you want, and do so with absolutely security, that the ONLY person who ain't laughing during a 'Stick exchange, is the one who came in with his panties already in a bunch.

If the dude makes a point, and proves you wrong on an idea, accept it. He might have been an ass for doing it in the fashion done, but it don't change the fact that he ain't wrong.

Fact is, when it comes to rifles and shooting, 'Stick's RARELY wrong, and can show the BT/DT scars to show how he got that way.

Listen to what's important, learn what's offered, move from wrong-to-right when you're obviously in the former position, and roll with the rest.

Of course, you ain't EVER figured that one out before JeffObama, so why start now?

Well, fancy that....Stick has a groupy.

Besides himself?

.

The Stick sycophancy around here baffles me.

Hate to say it, but I actually agree with you.

I agree with him too.

Except for the part about Stick being a hoot to be around.

You may or may not be describing some past version of the dude; I don't know. But you are not describing his behavior here lately.

I did, though.

Someone dug up an old thread the other day with some Stick posts. It was as you described. That guy doesn't seem to be home anymore though.

As an aside, I for one AM approaching him from the perspective you advocate. My correction of his spruce comment was made in that mindset. It's my default approach these days with guys like him, or you for that matter. You know, the ones who can't make a point without throwing in an insult, who can't have a reasonable debate without turning it personal, etc. I'm done getting upset over stuff on the Internet though I'll concede having let my goat get got in the past.

PM the dude. Tell him to chill a bit. He'd be a great and valuable person to have around, and I mean that.

After thumbing through most of this thread I can say two things.

'Stick lives in some really cool looking country.

Also he has more pics of himself with big wood than John Holmes ever thought about!

Ok, now I know why this is in the optics forum.

Calvin, I don't know much about you but what you do for those boys is admirable.

Agreed!

Kudos!

Hey stick tell your six brothers and Snow White I said hello.
Later dopy

John M.

Oh hell the board's ankle-biter has his say and shows he's a lap dog
to boot. Fuggin pathetic.

Ah, StupidAssCharlie surfaces again.

Quick, tell us again how your Manchurian Muslim "messiah" is gonna save us all....

[bleep]' idiot.

Is Charlie an Obamite?

Good Lord.

Yep, him and JeffObama, right there with northwestalaska (aka: "Lyin'-ass Walt"), JuniorIQ42, and BrentD.

BTW - JM, it's nice to see the original avatar back.

NO. He just be barkin.

Posts, quotes, and evidence says otherwise, StupidAss...

VA,

We gotta stomp all the Obamites out.

Convert Charlie, or you will be sent to Soylent Green and they will make cookies out of ya.

I have to admit it, I didn't believe he would be back with this much vengeance, this quickly. Rick reached out and welcomed him back, would hate to see Rick have his hand get burned.

He's cruising around and pulls folks chains when he catches them talking junk.

He ain't a saint but neither are we. Hell, There wasn't this much uproar over Maser and that dude was a certifiable freak.

JM

More like he's cruising around and is a complete douchebag unless you agree 100% with him.

Tell him how much you like A-Bolts...

"THE Idiot", btw, is Swampman.

Check "Hunting Rifles".

If someone wants to buy me a rifle, I'll take what they give me.

If I buy one, I'm not too concerned with what others think.

He's given me hell too. He is an equal opportunity hell giver.

All I'm saying is that there or worse folks than him running around here. At least he hunts and knows his stuff, isn't posting about hating cops or has pics of him wearing diapers shooting air soft guns.

Just saying there are alot worse than Stick.

Well actually Stick used to be more tactful in his assault, he seems to be pressing the offensive a little harder these days.

I sure hope you don't make such dumb assumptions when you are on the job. Stupid is as stupid does, and that was stupid. Return to Big Dick worship. That's more your style I guess.

Most profound statement in the last 35 pages.......

Interesting looking at the group who vocalize their dislike of Big Stick... seen this group before.

Kent

You prove me wrong that you didn't vote for Hussein, and I'll EASILY retract that part of the statement. No qualms with that, Brent.

Agreed.

Who said I even voted stupid? See and quality candidates in that last election did ya?

What is it about you that has to run round like a 2-bit looser anyway? Is this your attempt to out dick the big guy?? Are you as short has he is? I thought so.

6'1, 190, if it matters.

And, I can't disagree with you on the lack of quality in the last election. I can't say if I've ever had the ability to vote "for" a candidate, and I'm damned sick and tired of voting against some.

The point is it ain't gonna change. St. Palin isn't gonna make it alright, she and nobody else can. As it is whomever shows up has gotta be one or the other...Dem or Repub. When they join they become bloodsuckers. Ain't none of em like us...the only time they ain't fuggin the folks is when they are asleep.

I'll agree with that.

However the pic of him in nothing but a shirt has got to go

It didn't make me happy to vote against the Repub's but it needed to happen. Sometimes you have to put different lunatics in charge of the asylum for a while.

I think the best "governance" I've seen at the Federal level in my adult life has been in eras of gridlock. I'm glad we've got that again.

I sure hope the R's find their principles and their balls and field a real candidate. They'd get my vote. But they won't. It'll be some social-hotbutton-pushing farce like Palin.

You forgot legalizing drugs, prochoice of abortion and atheism... the other reason you can't vote Republican.

Of course you are progun, so that makes you a moderate.

Kent

The most profound statement BrentD has ever made. Self reflection, I presume.

And BrentD is still an out of touch bish.

Forgot the reduction of state seizure of property (taxes; Kelo-cases), 'redistribution of wealth'....

Among other "cute" notions of the left.

Both left and right are rife with dumbphuckitude.

IMHO.

That's the ONLY excuse you have left to play.

The left's dumbphuckitude, strips you of the Constitution. Fathom that, Jeff....

First the 1st (what words can't you say any longer? What groups are on SPLC's list?), then the 2nd (self-explanatory), then the 4th (why are YOU profiled out to be searched at the airport, and not Mohammed bin Sombody?), then the 5th (how many 2A 'crimes' in IL, NJ, PRK, are "strict liability" crimes)...

Of course, that'd require you pulling your head out of your ass.

Already occured my friend, yer jest too obtuse to see it...dot dot dot...

Still occurring. Speaking of obtuse.

Okay, 'nough said.

Go back to Larry worship. But you will have to shorten yourself to really achieve oneness with the troll

Yep, you and your ilk on the left and TRH and his on the right.

I'm an equal opportunity ball buster.

Kent

Not worship, at all. Just a realization that most of what gets to folks about Larry is due to themselves, and not him.

BT/DT. And finally realized I was the one not laughing in good humor.

Those that take him too seriously, and what he's saying "negatively" too seriously, are the only one's upset.

I can guarantee he ain't taking any of this seriously, and laughing the whole time.

Look at it from a slightly different angle, Professor (said with respect, not a slight), and see if you catch the drift.

Got no bones with you Brent, as I think we've started seeing more eye-to-eye on most stuff.

In my best Larryease---
"dry yer ears...and give her a thunk...."

Hey cow shooter!


Sorry to hijack your thread Big Stick.

I'll give you the 2nd, but if you are postulating the Republican Party as guardians of the 1st & 4th then I'm gonna spew carrot all over my iPhone here....

(had a very good crop of carrots this year, they are omnipresent, lol)

No, 'tard, I'm not saying they are guardians of anything, but go ahead and spew, as you CERTAINLY haven't a clue as to the scale backs in your Constitutionally-PROTECTED rights (not granted, as the left is so oft to say) under the left.

Apparantly you are equally blind to the constitutional assault by the "right" in the last few decades.

You're getting horned up, and I will not fight. Have your fun.

and this thread is in the "HUNTING OPTICS" forum.....though not sure why?

Nope, 'tard, I just know which sides ain't going for the one right reserved and protected to and for the people as a final bulwark against the power of the national gov't.

Apparently, you can't fathom that, nor much else when it comes to rights, vs. privileges.

Like BS or not he can bring the best/worst out in some people and he just sits back and laughs i'm sure. What is it about BS and JohnBurns that gets some of you guys so worked up?

laffin

Some how I believe that.

Fixed it...

Lol. I'm happy to debate but I'm just done with arguing on the Internet.

Well...pretty much done... grin...

If only....

Exactly correct on every point Sean. Builders tend to use what is close to hand and available to them for a little less effort/money. To suggest a single guitar company's preference trumps the entire acoustic instrument world is funny.

Waterborne logs of Sitka spruce grown in AK made it to Europe a long time before any was cut and shipped there for the purpose and was found incredible.
art

I really hate brussels sprouts. But that's all I'm getting to eat and I'm tired of it. I need some change damn it!

Gimme a $hit sandwich instead.

Logic?

It's not a "single guitar maker's" preference, Art. I didn't say that. It's the whole frikkin' industry. Look into it a bit. Martin, for instance, switched to Sitka because THAT is what was available for a little less effort/money. Not because it was the best top wood.

German, Engleman (sp), and Adirondack are all available from the top builders and are all significant upcharges, and are generally considered to be the premium top woods. That's not to say that Sitka is anything other than great; I own at least two Sitka-topped guitars and one in particular is world-class. That gets into the individuality of solid-wood acoustic instruments more than the specifics of a top wood, though.

What you'd know if you dug deep into this topic is that the different spruce's do have a characteristic tone, if averaged across a number of instruments. A perfectly reasonable statement would be, "I find Sitka spruce to be my favorite top wood". However, Stick's statement that, "Sitka Spruce trumps all in acoustics. Bt/dt. Ask ANY builder..................." is ridiculous. Try it. ASK any builder! You know what? I HAVE! I've personally talked to many of the top-end guitar builders.

Click this link. Virtually every acoustic guitar on the wall there is over $2k and many are over $4k. There are Sitka, Adirondack, German, and Engleman spruce-topped guitars there at all times. Virtually every top builder is represented on that wall at any given time. I worked there for over a decade.

http://mckenzierivermusic.com/

I really hate $hit sandwich. But that's all I'm getting to eat. Gimmee another shi$ sandwich instead of those brussel sprouts there.

Logic?

You don't acknowledge the downgrade in "cuisine" served up by the last presidential election.

It went down more like this:

I'm hating these brussels sprouts, gimme a $hit sandwich instead of something better than the sprouts.

You don't acknowledge that GWB and the R's in general were a $hit sandwich, and McCain was more of the same.

It went down like this:

I'm hating this $hit sandwich, gimmee some brussel sprouts rather than another $hit sandwich.

But you are saying O is better.

I disagree, and I'll leave it at that.

Fixed it for ya'.



At least you acknowledge their is a problem, now work on the solution.

Well, no.

I'm saying that in 2008, with the economy in shambles, GWB looking like a deer in the headlights, McCain offering more of the same while also looking like a deer in the headlights, and the R's having had a damn good chance to show what they had over the last 8 years... and given what they'd shown...

Neither choice was a "good" one. O was the least bad. IMHO. And yes, though I detest the term, to keep things quick here my position on several of the social hotbutton issues is more "liberal" than most here, and that plays into it too.

... and that's it from me, too. We can't be messing up Stick's nice thread here, now can we!

So let's see, you swallowed all the lies about Obama the press sold you that he was a "moderate" and believed in the 2nd Amendment (which he was on record against until his handlers told him to change his story), ignored his quotes and views on private property, wealth re-distribution, association with known communists and socialits not to mention terrorists, referred to the US as having FIFTY SEVEN states (hint: what are the odds of him picking that number? Answer: that is the total number of muslim countries, what are the odds on that!), his father was a white hating Mau-Mau, his mother, well, let's not go there, the people who were backing him like Soros, the Labor unions, communist and socialist affiliations and he was the {sic} least bad??? With those powers of judgment the next time you tell me the sky is blue I'm going to go outside and check. I should have know after your "overpenetrate" comment in Barnes bullets....jorge

+1000 you pretty much wrapped it up and unemployment at nearly 10% with zero job growth and the idiots still don't get that they were [bleep] over by their beloved Zero I mean O.

Try real unemployment closer to 20%...

Dumbphuckitude, defined.

Against my better judgement I am going to address your idiocy...

Simply because the supply of first rate Sitka spruce is far higher than any other flavor by several orders of magnitude... That old supply and demand thing... the price of Sitka spruce is lower than other spruces, which you suddenly have found names for.

The concept of subjective judgement in wood quality is certainly there, but it includes those factors related to marketing and hype. How do you sell a more expensive wood when it is inferior? You hype it... You establish the value based on the historical use rather than the true quality relationship with the best woods.

Is there much difference between the best wood from the best species? Nope. Can more than the smallest fraction of top end luthiers tell what wood went into a piece by listening to it? Nope. Do differences created by manufacturing and seasoning methods have more to do with sound consistency than species? Yup, and by a long ways.

Once again it shows you are ridiculously gullible to anything being sold.

I am getting disgusted and fell dirty even trying to be civil, so this is the last you shall read from me. And I have friends that remain friends in spite of voting for O...

The greatest of the luthiers in history have liked Sitka spruce just fine.

As to "spruce"...

Kingdom Plantae, Division Pinophyta, Phylum Coniferophyta, Class Pinopsida, Order Pinales, Family Pinaceae, Genus Picea...

There are 6 species of Spruce in North America: Black, Colorado (with a "blue" subspecies variant), Norway, Serbian, Sitka, and White. Notice, no "Adirondack".

Worldwide, there are five major clades of Spruce:

Clade I:
Picea breweriana, Brewer's Spruce

Clade II:
Picea sitchensis, Sitka Spruce

Clade III:
Picea engelmannii, Engelmann Spruce
Picea glauca, White Spruce

Clade IV:
Picea brachytyla, Sargent's Spruce
Picea chihuahuana, Chihuahua Spruce
Picea farreri, Burmese Spruce
Picea likiangensis, Likiang Spruce
Picea martinezii, Martinez Spruce
Picea maximowiczii, Maximowicz Spruce
Picea morrisonicola, Yushan Spruce
Picea neoveitchii, Veitch's Spruce
Picea orientalis, Caucasian Spruce or Oriental Spruce
Picea purpurea, Purple Spruce
Picea schrenkiana, Schrenk's Spruce
Picea smithiana, Morinda Spruce
Picea spinulosa, Sikkim Spruce
Picea torano, Tiger-tail Spruce
Picea wilsonii, Wilson's Spruce

Clade V:
Picea abies, Norway Spruce
Picea alcoquiana, ("P. bicolor") Alcock's Spruce
Picea alpestris, Norway Spruce, Alpine Spruce
Picea asperata, Dragon Spruce
Picea crassifolia
Picea glehnii, Glehn's Spruce
Picea jezoensis, Jezo Spruce
Picea koraiensis, Korean Spruce
Picea koyamae, Koyama's Spruce
Picea mariana, Black Spruce
Picea meyeri, Meyer's Spruce
Picea obovata, Siberian Spruce
Picea omorika, Serbian Spruce
Picea pungens, Blue Spruce or Colorado Spruce
Picea retroflexa
Picea rubens Red Spruce

Still haven't seen an "Adirondack Spruce" ... nor a "German Spruce"...

Engelmann's, yep. Sitka, yep... Adirondack or German? Um, nope.

Sitka, it is truly a pleasure to watch you work.

Regards.

Lots of arguments about what constitutes a species, especially in a plant as prone to hybridizing as spruce... But everyone considers P. engelmannii a species and it grows throughout the western US. That would be at least 7...

Brewer spruce is from CA... Red spruce is from the Adirondacks and undoubtedly what someone confused might call Adirondack spruce. Chihuahua is from Mexico, while NA, it is not US... That is at least 10 in NA.

Problem with the 'dacks for red spruce is th efact it has been essentially logged off in every available place. There is no supply of old trees. Anyone suggesting a good spruce hundreds of years old has to worry about the quality of wood from a tree less than a century old is either smoking something or an Obama sucker... likely both...

I am a little surprised by the cladisitic separation of II and III as it would have been a lump to my way of looking at them from my memory of their specifics from 30 years ago, as well as their tendencies to produce viable hybrids. But DNA has likely completely revised the myopic look we got back then...

aw shucks...

That just ain't right, you's fellers using facts and such... you know Jeff is a more the 'feelers' type... that was just mean....

kent

Don't really matter though Global Warming is gonna burn us all up next summer !!

From http://www.sweetwater.com/shop/guitars/acoustic/buying-guide.php#2

Red spruce is relatively heavy, has a high velocity of sound, and the highest stiffness across and along the grain of all the top woods. Like Sitka, is has a strong fundamental, but also a more complex overtone content. Tops produce the highest volume, yet they also have a rich fullness of tone that retains clarity at all dynamic levels. In short, red spruce may well be the Holy Grail of top woods for acoustic steel-string guitars.

You can find a lot more such statements in critiques of guitars and from the Martin videos on youtube.

For those worried about sustainable guitars, there is always the Martin Dreadnought.

That would be Red Spruce, not "Adirondack spruce".

Yes, specifically Red Spruce from the Adirondacks which would make it Adirondack spruce just like VAnimrod's car is junk. It also happens to be a Chevy.

They make fiddles out of chevrolets' Brent?

Actually, I drive a Ford. My wife drives a Toyota. And, there's a '78 CJ-7 for play...

Wrong, again.

"Adirondack" make be a colloquial name for Red Spruce, just like coy-dog might be a colloquial name for a coyote in that part of the world, too. That doesn't make it right, nor accurate.

I knew it would be too complicated for ya...

I'm trying to understand this.

Do the cars grow in the Adirondacks? Is there something up there that makes them more suitable for use as an instrument vs. a chevy built in Canada?

So the intellectually dishonest returns playing the same card...

As I pointed out previously, marketing is best done with hype. Using a marketing site in the same tone as a peer reviewed study is a classic Kool-Aid poisoning symptom.

Arguments in no particular order, just as they pop to mind...

1) Who did the testing to determine P. rubens is mechanically different from P. sitchensis? And which examples did they use? There is tremendous mechanical variety in specimens from trees grown in the same area. There is tremendous overlap between spruce species. There is a vast difference in mechanical properties based on the wood moisture content at time of testing... Who did their peer review?

2) Simply because a marketing site calls something the grail, does not make it so. When the marketing site equivocates should that be a sign?

3) How many hear the differences in the actual wood prior to assembly? Obviously the assembly makes a tremendous difference in the acoustical properties of the sound board. But so does the final thickness and shape of the board.

4) Age makes a huge difference in wood quality in a number of ways. It affects mechanical properties and they in turn affect sound. Compare the fact P. sitchensis can be had from trees many hundreds of years old... P. rubens, perhaps a hundred years...

5) Any of the top top woods will make an incredible guitar as I said earlier. To suggest any is better because of small mechanical differences in gross tests is not very scientific...

Sorry, got bored...

JM,
The Mississippi side of you is coming out again. Try to keep up -- the cars used for musical instruments are Fords made in Canada. They are used to make the Fender guitars. Please don't confuse that with the Oriental vehicle style guitars which are Yamahas. Got it? Ya'all really need to stay out of the likker jar.

Johnny $

No problem Art, I'll let you figure it all out. YOu being so astute about the conspiracies in the music world.

Talk about intellectually dishonest. You take the cake. You know the answers.

No one said anything about conspiracy.

"Talk about intellectually dishonest. You take the cake. You know the answers."

A critical review of what I wrote would show the exact opposite. I can provide cited references to everything I wrote which would pass any legitimate review. "Adirondack" spruce is not available generally in the quality of Sitka spruce because of the extreme difference in quantity and age.

Just as you knew damn well Palin's interview had been edited severely before you used it repeatedly in an argument, you are now using emotions and hype in an argument.

I am simply saying the argument is far closer to moot and beyond all but the tiniest fraction of the listening world. There are far too many variables to get very excited about the minute differences.

Miss Treated's cousin was involved in a project which built an acoustic testing device designed to maximize sound resolution in any space. Part of their project involved testing the stereo experts to see how well they heard. Want to guess how well the "experts" did? Or how much they agreed on?

Saw a guy on TV taste water samples and then correctly identify all 5 by Great Lake of origin. The discrimination required to taste them is likely not far from the discrimination required to hear the difference in sound board woods in a completed guitar.

And then there is subjective taste...

I love how you hold a thought. And, yep, it was edited, and, yep, she's still an idiot unless specifically coached. She ain't a thinker. Don't confuse yourself over that issue.

Meanwhile, you know damn well, Red Spruce from the Adirondacks is the most sought after guitar top in the business. You know, and more importantly, Martin knows it.

Sitka spruce is a nice runner up, but thats what it is, first looser.

"looser" ???

Too funny!

C'mon fellers.

this thread ain't about geetars, Palin or wood.

Unless ya get wood thinking about Palin.


Beside, Art... Got to expect those libs to stick their feathers together.

Glad ya liked it. Keep up the campaign. You need to keep a tight hold on all the straws you can find, no matter how flimsy.

I always think about doin her whenever I see her. She has a pretty mouth too. Just sayin.

Rethought.

I don't think her husband is that good looking, not into dudes though...

So, what about the don't ask, don't tell policy?

She is a MILF!

Wouldn't mind a little over penetration on that..

I would want her to leave her glasses on.

I'm not going to [bleep] Larry, John, JeffO, Sarah or Todd, but I could have climbed Everest on the oxygen that's been wasted making this thread.

Brent
Do you teach in absolutes, too?

You are going to let Martin Guitars make all the decisions for the entire acoustic instrument world? Even if they are just opinions? Even if red spruce from the Adirondacks is the best for Martin guitar tops, does that make it best for every style guitar? And from every maker? Do you expect Martin to advertise their guitars as having pulpwood tops? Or to hype something tough to come by? You really have to be kidding...

I wonder what the best Cremona fiddle makers use and call best... hmmm... care to guess?

As to Sarah, you knowingly used her performance on a severly edited interview tape to smear her. You absolutely knew it was not a true rendition of how she had done, clearly exposing your contempt for her. That is intellectual dishonesty any way you look at it. And you maintained the point after being called on it... That is special.

Art et al,

I would encourage you to dealve a little deeper into the world of guitars before saying that Sitka is best because it's used the most. It just ain't so. As I've already explained, Sitka is what most everyone who makes any real quantity of guitars uses because they HAVE to. It's what's available. A very similar thing happened with Brazilian vs. Indian Rosewood, and for that matter there are several variations of mohagony that have come into and out of broad use due to supply constraints.

Take a look at the Collings, Santa Cruz, Dana Bourgoise, Taylor, and Martin websites, in particular the sections pertaining to their very top end stuff. There, or on the many forums where guitar nerds talk about this stuff and no doubt fight and argue just like we do here over cartridges and whatnot, you will find descriptions and de-facto "rankings" of the spruce top woods. Sitka will rarely top the list.

In the guitar world one runs into tops made of Sitka, German, Engleman, and Adirondack spruce. I can't tell you the Latin name for what spruce is what, because in the industry we don't go there. Obviously at least a couple of those are industry-specific names but hey, that's what we call 'em. Do you own research and see.

I can tell you Sitka isn't considered the top spruce, by builders or the tone mafia guys either <grin>.

Interestingly, the overall design of a guitar can tilt things towards one top wood or the other, such that Sitka might indeed be the "best" top wood on a given design. How the top is braced and tensioned plays into this. An extreme example of how much the top matters, would be Taylor guitars circa mid-90's. They tended towards harshness and brittleness (some would say "clarity") to the point that I actually preferred a CEDAR top on that design. On the other hand, a more euphonic guitar design like the Martin, which tend to be a lush, chimey guitar (talking "normal models here) can be muddy with a cedar top. And yes I've played cedar-topped dreadnaught Martins.

At any rate, Sitka is a fine, fine tonewood. It's what's on my OM-28V and I'd put that guitar against ANY 000-sized long scale guitar in the world, regardless of price. It's a monster.

But that's not really the point. The point is Big Stick declared Sitka to be the best, said all the top builders agree, etc. That's just not so. Since he's so into bustin' balls when he sees what he perceives as someone speaking over their pay grade I thought he at least deserved a polite correction.

Guitar woods and tone are things I am very intimate with, and not as a hobbyist. It was my livelyhood. There was a time not so long ago I was one of the, I dunno, top 25 or top 50 most knowledeable people on the west coast about the minutia of high-end acoustic guitar tones from the top builders, across their models, with the various wood combos. This was because I worked for too many years at one of the premier boutique high-end guitar shops on the west coast and, in the interest of banking 4% commissions on $2k- $15k or MORE guitars, it behooves one to play them... go to lunch with the reps and builders when they are in town, buy and own them yourself, and play them play them play them. And I did. Every day. One right after the other. Same exact model of Collings but one is Sitka, the other Adirondack. One has Brazilian rosewood, one Indian. Etc etc etc day after [bleep] day until you are so sick of hi-end guitars and gacking about stupid chit (like top woods, lol) that you want to puke <g>.

If you or VA really care to learn more, some quick googling will give the broad picture. I'm sure there's someone out there declaring Sitka best but the broad consensus is otherwise.

JeffObama;

I know absolutely nothing about guitars. Don't ever pretend to.

What I do know, is a bit more about forestry and trees than you care to fathom.

And, that's what I'm hitting you on.

Now, if you want to cite "Adirondack" as a specific, legitimate species of spruce, then so be it.

Otherwise, you remain ignorant and erroneous.

As you do with more things in your life...

In the industry which Stick was addressing, which is to say the acoustic guitar industry, the term has all the meaning in the world. I suspect it'd be a trivial matter to google up the Latin name for you right now on my phone, but it wouldn't change a thing in terms of the point I've made, and that you are trying to obfuscate.

You are being deliberately obtuse, and can't seem to manage a simple polite debate without interjecting personal jabs. I see it was a mistake to try to interact with you. My bad.

Have to tell you V, I would not care to debate Jeff on this subject as he seems to know his bickies from bread about guitars.

Maybe so, but the subject is far from closed. Read some of the dissenting comments here:
http://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/showthread.php?53619-Sitka-vs-Adirondack-spruce-top

Not all soundboards get used on guitars...
Not all luthiers agree on what sound qualities are best...
Not all wood from a given species and source will test the same, not even from the same tree... And there are huge overlaps in mechanical properties.
Few "experts" pass any tests of consistency of sound discrimination when tested against proper meters.

There is more bullscat in guitar making than the average Kansas feedlot.

I shall take your word for it as it is a subject I know jack about.

Agreed, mostly. Though to the last point- the bullscatters can fool the audience and wannabe's, but not the players. Good players hear stuff like a blind man.

The mechanical inconsistancy is a good point. The good low-volume builders- like say a good brewer- have an intuitive and/or scientific grasp of how the ingrediants of a guitar go together and can produce amazingly consistant product even given the vagaries of the materials. Archtop builders, some of them, get downright religious about how they voice a top.... grains of sand vibrating on the top show them where to leave it thick, or sand it thinner...

A company like Martin, though, isn't doing all THAT with anything short of their uber-custom stuff... so you'll hear the mechanical difference in whatever woods they use, play out as a less consistant product. There's an upside to that, which is that they, almost by accident, make the occassional amazing guitar even in their more pedestrian models! Things just went together right... there really is truth in the idea of choosing a guitar by playing a bunch and finding the "right" one.

I have a late 40's Epiphone Broadway archtop that has a top like a cello. Just gorgeous wood. I have no idea what spruce they were using. Something good.

As to experts not being able to hear differences, that's quite true in the audio world. Audio, perhaps more so even than optics, is full of people hearing what they want to hear. I always felt like on a karmic level, part of my job was helping people actually hear an instrument- not just validate whatever advertising jargon the company had managed to implant in them!

As for myself, I could no more pick a random acoustic guitar up right now and proclaim (from sound only) what spruce it was made of than i could tell you what brand of scope I was looking through in a blind test. What I COULD do, then, was easily hear and help someoneone else hear the differences in top woods from one of the consistant builders, like Collings or Santa Cruz. Those, I could tell by sound and feel (some guitars feel tighter, etc) what spruce had been used... usually. Lol. That was because the product was built so consistantly that it made that possible. Like tasting a pinch of cinnoman in a Sierra Nevada...

There are also color differences, but that gets tricky because of tinted or aged finishes and so on. But Adirondock doesn't look like Engleman if untinted.

Here's a fun one. Martin switched from Brazilian rosewood to Indian in 1970... but it wasn't that clean; there were still Brazilian blanks kicking around, and a "few" Martins were made with Brazilian in 1970, particularly some smaller body guitars. But the thing is, time has been kind to Brazilian RW guitars- they are worth crazy money. And Martin kept no records of what was or wasn't in 1970.... so it's all on the visual ID of the wood by an expert, and a lot of money rides on the balance. I was such an expert, and stroked checks accordingly..... In some cases it's very obvious, as Brazilian has some very distinctive grain patterns that occur... usually. I did end owning a somewhat debateably-Brazillian 000 for a couple years (it wasn't blatantly obvious) until it became more widely understood that SOME Martin's from '70 were Brazillian.. at which point my investment matured and I did great selling it.

Brazilian rosewood, by the way, sounds different on average than Indian.... another thing you can hear if you are genuinly familiar with a brand and model.

Lol. Guitar gack....

No, I save it just for you. I get a kick out of watching the pot call the kettle black.

and I'm always going to take Martin over you when it comes to opinions on wood for guitars. I'll do that every single time, even though you are the most well renowned guitar expert in the entire universe. But they are just one example of a well respected group that disagrees with you, so feel free to generalize to the rest of the planet - at least.

As for Sarah, you got it bad, don't ya? There is no antibiotic that can cure that. And you still maintain you are independent thinker - even after being called on it. Well, you are entertaining, in a pitbull sort of way..

The minute they show me the guy that can positively determine species simply by sound in a finished guitar is the minute I will agree with Martin. The only tests I have read screamed hype...

And that would mean I was willing to cede the rest of the acoustics world, just to give you a chance.

As I have said repeatedly, Sarah is not my favorite, and not by a long shot. I simply detest the intellectual dishonesty in using the false interview repeatedly.

You brought her up - obviously you are more attached to her than you realize. Pretty funny if you ask me. Sort of like high school puppy love.

Don't worry about the guitar thing - I knew you were just looking for an excuse to argue and drag Sarah back to the front burner. That's okay with me

So, hang in there pot...

I propose the winner of this internet argument wins an award giving a schit about nothing

Yup. Pretty much.

Ain't it amazing what people will watch on the inet?

Lol... NHK9 said it well: "Play a stupid game, win a stupid prize!"

Believe me, I ain't putting it forth that being an expert on guitars means chit in this world... that and three bucks, will barely buy a latte at Starbucks.... grin... But, as it turns out, it is something I was deeply immersed in for a looong time. Factor in running a commercial recording studio and I ate, breathed, and pooped guitars and amps and mics and brands of reel-to-real tape and this noise reduction sounding different than that one and hi-end mic preamps and tubes vs. transistors and on and on and on.... bleah.... there's a joke about a gynecologist getting sick of puzzy in there, somewhere, except it's not funny to me because I've kind of lost my passion for guitar in the process...

It's just humorous to catch Stick making the kind of broad, over-reaching generalization that he loves to beat on others for. In the spirit of welcoming him back around the Campfire, a gentle correction was in order. Lol.

You "won" the 7-08 vs 308 argument, but could not get the load out of him and now you are beating his wood.

Impressive.

Reminds me of the "Tool Time" episode in which Al identifies wood species by smell.

Another pot, another kettle. Same story.

You mean you can't??

How about smell? Surely by smell you can tell them all apart and probably that they are old growth or second cut....

Lol... that's a good one, if a bit.... homersexual... must be those long, cold dark winters up there.....

I'm quite certain there are people who could ID different spruces by smell. The nose is an amazing thing. New guitars have a very woody smell (on the inside) though it's clouded by the finish...

The stiffness of the top is tangible too. I'm not sure how to articulate it, but if you are surrounded by the [bleep] things, you notice it. I honestly don't remember which of the spruces are stiffer though.

I could ID the various woods in my woodlot by smell because I've been cutting them for 20 years. Oak smells different than ash smells different than willow and chitum and fir and cedar and pine......

The inside of an older fir, smells different than the inside of a young fir.

The inside of many trees I cut smell different at different times of the year too.

My wife went to the Gibson acoustic factory here in Bozo... played a dozen of the same model and picked the one her ear liked.

Like barrels, they're all individuals...

Brad, that's the way to do it.

Heck, that's the way to buy an ELECTRIC guitar... and they are obviously much less influenced by materials, you'd think. The '83 Strat I have now, I waited years for, then one day it came into the shop and I played like 30 seconds on it and it was like, yep, that's the one. My Tele was similar.

It's a hard concept to get through to many people, though, because this is the era of uniform, identical Commodities.

Jeff,
If you have such a passion for acoustic instruments, I wouldn't throw around builders like Santa Cruz to back up your arguments. Neither would I name-drop Martin. Collings is fine, but not what should be considered the epitomy of the industry. There are much better and more highly sought after makers.

Martin makes some fantastic guitars. Just not most of 'em <g>. Their very top-end stuff is killer.., or at least it was 10 years ago.

I actually prefer a good Santa Cruz to a Collings, myself, but SC guitars are less consistant. Or were. I have no idea what's happening right now. But the Collings tone is a bit dry to my ear. I like character.

We weren't a dealer for any of the very low-volume, high-end boutique stuff, except perhaps Burgoise, and they were in a state of flux at the time. You are correct that there are some small, very spendy builders and I'm honestly not real up to speed on them. I did get to play single items from about everybody when they'd come in on trades... to be honest, I often came away underwhelmed. I'd hear all about so-and-so for years then finally get to try one and it'd not live up to the hype... usually.

Actually, speaking of woods, the small-volume guys are guilty of putting together some wacky combos that seemed to ME to be more about visual aesthetics and "cool" factor, than tone. But then, my ear is biased towards "traditional" guitar tones and woods. Not real into flamed Koa tops and wenge this and maple necks or backs and so on. Gimmee rosewood and spruce with a mohagony neck, and I'm happy <grin>.

I kick myself for not coming out of that era with a SC Baritone guitar. Ever play one of those bad boys?

And finally, I'm not arguing... just making conversation here.

mahogany...

Mahogany is great for dark tones. Bright tones call for maple or spruce. Best guitars and makers on the market, and have ever been on the market, have always been those archtop acoustic jazzbox guys. For years it was Gibson's L4 and L5's that Lloyd Loar was the innovator of. Later it became the domain of firms like D'Angelinco, Benedetto, etc... Martin is to the acoustic guitar market like Dakota is to the rifle market. They make something a bit better in aestethics and to a certain performer than was generally offered by cheaper lines, but were not the real customs and better builders.

Some of the one man shop archtop acoustic guitars can run into the hundreds of thousands for a single instrument without too much tack. Braz Rosewood is typically only used for fretboards, especially now since it is a CITES species and extremely hard to get.

No flattop acoustic will ever compare in tone or volume without amplification to the archtops.

The best grade Sitka Spruce is comparable or better, as is known in the industry, than any of the red spruce or Englemann...

Best tone woods are typically reserved orchestra players, not guitar shops, anyway. Violins, Cellos, etc usually end up with the best of the best woods. Not everyday instruments, but those built for professionals.

[bleep] this is boring.

It is. Stick has more practical experience than any of his detractors here. When someone questions his professionalism, he hurts people's feelers. It's a rough life. But, so it is. Some folks experiences are different than mine and I care not.

Lot's of folks here have lot's of different experiences, and no one will ever agree on much of anything. Hangers on and theoriests will profound knowledge of reading and repeating what they've heard. Until it gets proven, those that do - will, those that haven't or won't - will theorize. Those that have repeatable experience can, and will, argue till the cows come home. Keith and O'Connor proved that.

Yep! Agree with all of that.

You'd like my '49 Epi archtop. It's a straight acoustic- no pickup- archtop with solid spruce top and solid maple sides and back. Some flame in the maple. A fair amount of inlay. It an absolute cannon, as you say, though the tone is not as refined as say a D'Angelico, it's got more bark and sounds fantastic with medium gauge acoustic half-rounds.

This was built, of course, almost 20 years before Gibson bought Epiphone. They were competitors at that time.

I've played a few D'Angelicos and for that matter, a Loar mandolin and several Loar-era guitars. That guy "knew things".

The owner of the shop had an amazing collection, probably even better now. Numerous pre-war Martins. D45's worth six figures. D'Angelico and that other dude who worked with him who's name escapes me right now.... couple '59 Les Pauls... Early 50's Tele's, Strat from all eras. Get this- a Bigsby archtop! On and on.

Basically if it was cool, REALLY cool, at least by his definition- Bob had it. Got to play all that stuff at one point or another. Some were great instruments, some just valuable instruments...

Bullschit Dave!!! I read different in the Martin website! I mean, what do you know? How can it be that marketing hype could be wrong? Next thing you know they will accuse you of thinking there is a sound wood conspiracy.

Doesn't it feel good not guessing?
art laughing

A conspiracy in the sound wood industry! Now we are getting somewhere!

No offense meant by the earlier comment, but there is really no entertainment value in posts made based on knowledge and experience.

Although it is informative.

My experience with guitars is limited. When I was a chap, I filled the inside of mine up with tree frogs and accidently forgot they were in there.

Mom and dad had to fumigate the house. However, it did produce a better sound after the frogs had decomposed.

JM

My experience with guitars is that they are the 2nd-most fun you can have, legally, without risking breaking your neck or brain.

At least, drawing from the panalopy of crazy-fun stuff I've done in my life.

The 1st-most ranking is reserved for... well, you know... hopefully <g>... and NO Ingwe and JM, it does not involve sheep for Cristsakes!!

Wrong again, Jeff.

Darts is the second most fun you can have indoors!

"Again"? What is this "again" bidness of which you speak?












Darts? Really? REALLY?!