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Joe Frazier usually did nothing but eat solid shots from guys for the first 5 rounds. For crying out loud, he went life and death with Oscar Bonavena and got dropped twice in the second round.

Tyson would finish him in the first few rounds of the fight. That's absolutley the worst style matchup possible for Frazier. Foreman took advantage of Frazier both times they fought due to the fact that Foreman is a fast starter with serious power. It had nothing to do with his height, and had everything to do with both men's tendancies as a fighter.

Brian.

Shavers vs Frazier

Amazing how we can't agree on a damned thing about boxing. Answer me this, up until Buster Douglas, who ever hit Tyson with a good shot, the caliber of which Fraizer would be able to deliver?

A lot of Tyson success was via intimidation, something he lost the night the lights went out in Tokyo. Fraizer was not the kind to be intimidated. We learned after Douglass that Tyson had little heart, and less chin.

Like most things sports related, a fantastic offense will cover your ass for having a poor defense about 70% of the time.



It had more to do with Tyson not taking training seriously after Cus D'Mato died than some sort of great exposure into his style. Tyson's entire style is predicated on being a faster, stronger athlete than his opponent. When Tyson no longer took training seriously and spent most of his time getting high and screwing, he ceased to be a better athlete than his contemporaries. He took away his best tools by not hitting the gym as hard.

Brian.

Jesus Christ, do you have a hard on for seeing Frazier get flattened?

Power punchers who came out swinging were Frazier's achilles heel. Boxers like Ali or brawlers like Chuvalo, Frazier chewed up and spit out. He always struggled against guys who came right after him and who had serious power.

Kind of the same problem that Norton had, although Frazier was durable enough to survive against everyone but Foreman. Norton wasn't.

Brian.

We both like watching it, and we both like talking about it. Ain't that enough?

Brian.

Enough for me,that is why I keep firing ? Cooney vs Morrison

Two guys with serious power and very, very average chins. Whoever lands first. Would favor Morrison by a hair simply because he had a bit better technique and a serious left hook. Either guy could get lamped in that matchup though.

Brian.

Cooney hit ole George harder then most folks realize. Wonder sometimes if Cooney did not try very hard against Spink tough.

Cooney popped George with a good shot, but then George has never been hard to hit.

Cooney's problem is that he reacted very poorly to being hit. Spinks was no great knockout artist, but he made Cooney fall apart once he started landing on him.

Brian.

Why do the white guys do so well in the cage fights and not as well in in the boxing ring?

blacks and mexicans have harder heads

Because MMA is more grappling based at heart, and lots of white American males come from a wrestling background.

Brian.

LMAO!!

Most whites don't/won't spend the time or energy getting their azzes kicked boxing for a living......even when you win you lose.

But they have no issues about getting beat up in MMA?

Brian.

I'd rather lose a wrestling match (choke hold) than get my brains beat out (boxing).....

You can get your brains beat out in MMA too.

Worse, it can happen when you're pinned on your back. Not a fun feeling.

Brian.

You bet, but in boxing it's every fight and the number of punches over a few fights are much more punishing.....I've never seen a punch drunk cage fighter.

Apparantly you haven't seen a recent interview with Chuck Liddell....

Brian.

No, I havent' and he would make....one punch drunk cage fighter. Brief, short fights with a few heavy punches landing all over the body is not the same as professional boxing with the head the main target.

I think white guys give up on boxing early, or they have parents that persuade them it ain't the smartest thing to do. They'd rather play golf, or baseball. Me, too. Unless there's a ghetto story.....