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I am thinking this might be a great little round. As Mule deer pointed out a while back it is very similar to the 250 savage AI which is one of my favorite rounds.Very efficient etc.Thinking either buy the Ruger or do a custom build....what does everyone think?
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I thought about it , then decided to get the 6.5x55, seat bullet out farther as no restrictions of the short action, Lapua brass readily available, a bit more velocity, proven winner at least back in the day
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It is neither flashy or new, not a magnum, not based on a 30-06 case and therefore not as well known in North America. The europeans however know better. It is a solid performer on game from coyote size to european moose sized animals. My uncle has used his sporterized M-96 to great effect on more deer than I can remember and planted his fair share of elk as well. Barrel life is high, it is forgiving on the reload bench, eating 4064, 4831, RL22, Varget and almost anything in between you can put in it with aplomb. Good numbers on loading per pound of powder and mild recoil mean you can shoot it often enough to be comfortable and proficient with it. Bullet selection is good, especially with the popularity of 6.5's on the target circuit. High SD's and BC's make for accurate rounds that penetrate and deliver a higher than weight class punch. There are very few ways for one to fault the Swede, I won't bother looking for them.
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Furprick, Way to highjack a thread.  The OP asks about the 6.5 Creedmoor, and all you do is post a commercial for the 6.5 swede. Great, I'm glad you like your Swede.It's a fine round. Now for some advantages of the 6.5 Creedmoor.. 1)Equal velocity to the 6.5 swede(comparing factory loads) 2)Fits in a True Short(.308 length) action. The only way a 6.5 Swede can be loaded to beat 6.5 Creedmoor ballistics is to exceed the maximum load data published by the powder/bullet companies. The bottom line is that the 6.5 Creedmoor and the .260 do everything a Swede does in a true short action.
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This is an article by a guy who spent a fair amount time comparing the various 6.5s. 6.5s And here is more on the Creedmoor. Creedmoor I don't own one, but they have definitely caught my eye. Certainly the 6.5s are all close enough to me, that the package would probably drive my final decision. Given equal rifle packages it would be a tough call between the Creedmoor and the 260 Rem.
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Furprick, Way to highjack a thread. The OP asks about the 6.5 Creedmoor, and all you do is post a commercial for the 6.5 swede. Great, I'm glad you like your Swede.It's a fine round. Now for some advantages of the 6.5 Creedmoor.. 1)Equal velocity to the 6.5 swede(comparing factory loads) 2)Fits in a True Short(.308 length) action. The only way a 6.5 Swede can be loaded to beat 6.5 Creedmoor ballistics is to exceed the maximum load data published by the powder/bullet companies. The bottom line is that the 6.5 Creedmoor and the .260 do everything a Swede does in a true short action. Didn't mean to HiJack the thread and was not aware of your blood - caffiene level was out of wack, insert smiley face here, just wanted to point out a comparative alternative. reload manuals take into account the the very old fire arms that are in this caliber. My last 6.5x55 in a Rem 700 ran 130 gr bulets at 2900fps.................just sayin'
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Didn't mean to HiJack the thread and was not aware of your blood - caffiene level was out of wack, insert smiley face here, just wanted to point out a comparative alternative. reload manuals take into account the the very old fire arms that are in this caliber. My last 6.5x55 in a Rem 700 ran 130 gr bulets at 2900fps.................just sayin'
Just trying to help out the OP with his original question, which asked nothing about the Swede. And ,BTW Hornday 129g 6.5 Creedmoor factory ammo will match what you got in your m700 Swede..
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The Sweede more like has the capacity that would equal the 260 AI.
Both the Cred and the Sweede driven to the same pressure and barrel length, speed will favor the Sweede.
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The Sweede more like has the capacity that would equal the 260 AI.
Both the Cred and the Sweede driven to the same pressure and barrel length, speed will favor the Sweede. The problems is NOBODY in the reloading industry recommends loading the Swede to the same pressures as the 6.5 Creedmoor or the .260 rem.. Nobody. And that is because of all the old m96 rifles floating around. IN SAMMI spec loads, the Swede is capable of doing no more than a 6.5 Creedmoor of the .260 rem. It's an irrefutable fact.
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I've owned several .260 Rem, 6.5x55, 6.5 Rem Mag's and the 6.5 Creedmoor. The Creedmoor is a cool cartridge that is really nothing more than a .250 Savage AI. It takes a long 24" - 26" barrel for the Creedmoor to equal a long action 22" Sweede, so there's no free lunches with the Creedmoor. I would like a Model Seven with a 20" barrel in the Creedmoor, it would make a sweet deer rifle.... ![[Linked Image]](http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c365/wheeler_/DSC04035-2-1.jpg)
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I think a 6.5 Creedmoor built on 700SA with a blind magazine and say, a 23in bbl in a lightweight stock, Mcmillan edge?, would be a very nice walkaround rifle.
Don't overpower it with optics, a 3-9 or 2.5-10x would be a good match.
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I am thinking this might be a great little round. As Mule deer pointed out a while back it is very similar to the 250 savage AI which is one of my favorite rounds.Very efficient etc.Thinking either buy the Ruger or do a custom build....what does everyone think? ...............In a video posted on here, Wayne Van Zwoll used a 6.5 Creedmoor to take a bull elk at 603 yards using a 129 gr Horn SST. Not too shabby for a little 6.5mm.
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The problems is NOBODY in the reloading industry recommends loading the Swede to the same pressures as the 6.5 Creedmoor or the .260 rem..
Nobody.
And that is because of all the old m96 rifles floating around.
IN SAMMI spec loads, the Swede is capable of doing no more than a 6.5 Creedmoor of the .260 rem. It's an irrefutable fact.
Jim, like who cares. 99.5% of builds are going to be on a modern action that is more than capable and able to go 65K. It takes a long 24" - 26" barrel for the Creedmoor to equal a long action 22" Sweede, so there's no free lunches with the Creedmoor.
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The problems is NOBODY in the reloading industry recommends loading the Swede to the same pressures as the 6.5 Creedmoor or the .260 rem..
Nobody.
And that is because of all the old m96 rifles floating around.
IN SAMMI spec loads, the Swede is capable of doing no more than a 6.5 Creedmoor of the .260 rem. It's an irrefutable fact.
Jim, like who cares. 99.5% of builds are going to be on a modern action that is more than capable and able to go 65K. It takes a long 24" - 26" barrel for the Creedmoor to equal a long action 22" Sweede, so there's no free lunches with the Creedmoor.
Exactly. Only a complete idiot would recommend gross overloads way past book maximums for the 6.5 Swede. It's great to see you are one of them.
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Since we have a 6.5 Creedmoor, .260 Remington and 6.5x55 in the house, a few months ago I measured the water capacity of fired cases in each, with a 120-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip at the maximum SAAMI overall length. These were the results:
6.5 Creedmoor--48.4 grains (Hornady brass, 2.825" OAL)
.260 Remington--49.0 grains (Remington brass, 2.800 OAL)
6.5x55 Swedish--49.8 grains (Norma brass, 3.15" OAL)
This means there's about a 3% difference in power capacity between the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 6.5x55. This means about a less than 1% difference in potential muzzle velocity, according to the 1/4 rule. Of course, the individual brand of brass would also have a slight effect on powder room, but not enough to matter.
This is backed up by result from my rifles. In my custom FN Mauser 6.5x55 with a 21" Lilja barrel 3000 fps can be reached with a 120-grain bullet, even with the bullet seated all the way out to 3.15" OAL, and its easy to get 3100 from the 26" barrel of my Ruger Hawkeye 6.5 Creedmoor. So barrel length would be more of a factor on velocity than anything else.
Anybody picking any one of these over another would have to make the decision on factors other than potential velocity--brass availability, historical prejudice, or whatever.
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Since we have a 6.5 Creedmoor, .260 Remington and 6.5x55 in the house, a few months ago I measured the water capacity of fired cases in each, with a 120-grain Nosler Ballistic Tip at the maximum SAAMI overall length. These were the results:
6.5 Creedmoor--48.4 grains (Hornady brass, 2.825" OAL)
.260 Remington--49.0 grains (Remington brass, 2.800 OAL)
6.5x55 Swedish--49.8 grains (Norma brass, 3.15" OAL)
This means there's about a 3% difference in power capacity between the 6.5 Creedmoor and the 6.5x55. This means about a less than 1% difference in potential muzzle velocity, according to the 1/4 rule. Of course, the individual brand of brass would also have a slight effect on powder room, but not enough to matter.
This is backed up by result from my rifles. In my custom FN Mauser 6.5x55 with a 21" Lilja barrel 3000 fps can be reached with a 120-grain bullet, even with the bullet seated all the way out to 3.15" OAL, and its easy to get 3100 from the 26" barrel of my Ruger Hawkeye 6.5 Creedmoor. So barrel length would be more of a factor on velocity than anything else.
Anybody picking any one of these over another would have to make the decision on factors other than potential velocity--brass availability, historical prejudice, or whatever.
But John.. All one has to do is overload the 6.5 Swede to 65,000 PSI and your points are moot...LOL
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Somehow I doubt a 6.5 of any kind will be offered in the Winchester compacts. It would be nice, but I doubt it. The rifle is already chambered in the 7mm-08. With 120-140g slugs,that's a pretty good second choice.
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In a modern action there is no reason you cannot run the 6.5x55 at modern pressures. There is nothing magic about the steel and brass used in 260s or Creedmoors that allow them to be used at higher pressures than can be safely used in the 6.5x55.
I get 3075 FPS with a 120 grain pill in my 6.5x55, at measured sub 60 KPSI peak pressures, though I usually back that down to 3050. There is nothing about this that is any more dangerous than shooting a 30-06 or 270 at the same pressure. I just have to be careful to keep the modern ammunition away from my lovely milsurp Swede. Since I intend to shoot all my ammunition before I die, and don't easily confuse the two lots of ammunition, I don't see a lot of risk in that.
Lapua lists a very similar N560 load on their web page.
All that said, I think the Creedmoor is a very interesting round with a lot of potential. The minor difference in MV is small potatoes. I think I would be quite happy shooting with any of the three 6.5 offerings. I chose the 6.5x55 because I had an intermediate length action, and already had the dies for 6.5x55.
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As a 6.5 nut ,I find that the 6.5-06 ,6.5 Creedmoor,260 rem and the swede are the same animal in a modern rifle built to stand 65m psi. Its like fleas argueing over who owns the dog. I have 6.5s of all flavors and have shot benchrest with all and hunted with most. If you have a Black Rifle , go Creedmoor or 260. If you have a Mountain rifle in mind go with the same. I prefer the 6.5-06 ,6,5-284 or the Swede for Long range hunting . Don't forget the 6.5 Jap and the 6.5-257 Roberts. The awesome 6.5 STW will amaze most folks like the 264 mag in its day. My 6.5 Swede Benchrest rifle with heavy 26" Krieger barrel on a 700 action can push a 140 gr Match king at 2950fps with no signs of pressure. I loaded some 140 Game kings to use when I'm in a shooting House (tower) with a very heavy load of REL 22, match CCI primers and Lapua brass . They shot 3 shot groups at 5/16 " at 300 Yards------Game Kings. Keep a very open mind when Looking at any 6.5 They all are just AMAZING.
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