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"Dear Lord, save me from Your followers"
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I have data from a guy that ran an experiment for Freedom Arms in loading the 454 Casull into a lever action..The Marlin '95 action was the first to go with a steady diet of 62,000 PSI in something around 20 shots fired,then next was the Winchest '94 with about 40 rounds fired..Both actions gave up the ghost..
One must also remember Winchester came out with the Big Bore version of the original '94 action which was alot stronger..Winchesters new Big Bore could handle the .307 Wiinchester(52,000) with ease..
Marlin then came out with the .307 Winchester in there '95 action(slightly stronger than the 336) and quickly took it off because it could not handle the pressure.
Jayco Jesus Christ Lee, give it a friggin rest and talk about REAL world knowledge.
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Steelhead: Just INFO, just so it's NOT missed.
308 Win came in Savage 99s, some clip fed, others rotary mags.
Win. 88s came in 308 Win and the ones I remember handling had clips.
I'm ONLY talking about 308 Win.
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Hey...I was asked why not and answered it and even Rocky said he couldn't answer for me..And I did.
Let's not turn this into a piece of work like you always do..Just facts and experiences.
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You go on and on about what can and can't be. I'm thinking you should know all about can't concerning most anything.
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Mine was free; my first centerfire, a 17th birthday gift from my Aunt & Uncle and the rifle with which I took my first deer.
Thing is, there is no real disadvantage to this rifle over a .308 Win in 99.9% of situations... the "why" as Steelhead pointed out implies that "bigger and faster is always better" which itself assumes that the practical difference between a lever in 308 Win and 30 WCF are bigger than what in my experience they really are.
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And with your 46,000 post,you don't? Let's just drop it or as I said before..PM me or e-mail me and we will talk openly. jaycocreek@levergunlovers.com Jayco
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I ain't never been wrong nor prone to guessing.
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Like most Bullies..You cut and run instead of backing it up..
PM or e-mail me and leave it off the open forum wrecking a good thread.
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I can use 30 grs. of IMR 4759 and a round nose 170 gr bullet in my son's 30-06 and he can shoot 30-30 type ammunition in his bolt action Mauser. 150 gr. RN are even less recoil. whelennut
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger! There is only one kind of dead, but there are many different kinds of wounded.
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Yeah and your PM says only....
Tell the wife hello....
Man..Come fishing on me..
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So you say send a PM and now you post the PM. You are a [bleep] tool +P and easy to read. I never had a doubt that a little crying bitch like you would post the PM.
PS: I had that typed in a PM but decided to save you the work.
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Here are some stats and data on cartridge and rifle availability, comparing the two (and many more also) that might be interesting, from ConsumerPla.net: Cost Effective .30 Caliber CartridgesAmmunition Survey: Best Rifle Cartridges OverallAvailable .30 CalibersAmmunition and Chamberings Surveys: Combined AvailabilityReview: Best Rifle Cartridges for 2011This site has a wealth of information and stats on cartridge and chambering availability. They complied stats for how available cartridges are, and how available rifles are in different chamberings, used and new. You can see about 25 articles across all calibers and categories on the right hand side. Their conclusion, by the way, is that 30-30 is extremely available right now, but that there are so few new chamberings for it that cartridge availability in 10-15 years might be much lower. FWIW... FYI - I have a Marlin 336SS on 30-30, and a Brownling BLR 81 Takedown in 308. I love them both. The Marlin is great for hunting in the brush, and you don't have to worry abt recoil. The Browning is great in a more open field. No need to be exclusive:-)
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These are my thoughts & questions. Why 30-30, NOT 308?
I hunt some super thick cover at times and "short" and "fast handling" aren't just "nice" things to have when a shot at a buck might be measured in feet rather than yards. A short .308 would work too, but the clean, old 94 is a smooth ride.
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Likely the case I'm fairly certain.
As someone else also mentioned, it's a good cast bullet cartridge.
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Talking about another mans wife you have never in your life met,is about as low life as a person can get and deserves to be publicized to let everyone else see what a piece of work you are.
Are kids next?
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Agreed, say hello is a terrible thing. I knew which way you would run with it. Victim fits you perfect.
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And you know, I'm just flat out pissed because a member of the US Congress has been shot in the head, along with several others killed including a child.
I have neither the time nor patience for idiots today.
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JWALL
I can say with experience,that the 30-30 has more of an effect on game to 200 yards than a .308 Winchester.
My best buddy has a Savage Mod 99 in .308 and I have seen countless Deer and Elk shot with it..My personal opinion is the Round Nose and Flat Nosed bullets out of the 30-30 have a better immediate effect than the pointy bullets of the .308 Win.
Call it the Berger effect,but it is there on descent angles.Bullets used is one of the virtues of the 30-30 over some others.
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