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Only a complete idiot would recommend gross overloads way past book maximums for the 6.5 Swede.
It's great to see you are one of them. wink
Stupid you, you should qualify that by saying in a 98 Mauser. ........ Looks like I'm in good company. In a modern action there is no reason you cannot run the 6.5x55 at modern pressures. There is nothing magic about the steel and brass used in 260s or Creedmoors that allow them to be used at higher pressures than can be safely used in the 6.5x55.
I get 3075 FPS with a 120 grain pill in my 6.5x55, at measured sub 60 KPSI peak pressures, This is backed up by result from my rifles. In my custom FN Mauser 6.5x55 with a 21" Lilja barrel 3000 fps can be reached with a 120-grain bullet,
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But John..
All one has to do is overload the 6.5 Swede to 65,000 PSI and your points are moot...LOL
But Jim.. You could say that about any cartridge, not just the Sweede. You would make a great straw man.
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If there is a more perfecter New England deer rifle, I don't know what it is....... 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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But John..
All one has to do is overload the 6.5 Swede to 65,000 PSI and your points are moot...LOL
But Jim.. You could say that about any cartridge, not just the Sweede. You would make a great straw man. And you make a great moron. Those who expound on overloading cartridges often are. And, last I checked even 60,000 PSI was a GROSS pressure overload for a Swede based on SAMMI specs.
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Is that the best you can do?
Start calling people names after proving yourself a fool, that you obviously don't have a clue of what you are talking about.
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My take on the 6.5 Creedmore is that Hornady needed a new round to come out with one month so they re-invented the 260 REM. It's no better, or worse, than the 260 and is just splitting the popularity of 6.5's in a way that neither one of them will ever be real popular. If there was only one it might stand a chance but there isn't enough market for two of them to succeed.
One of Hornady's main selling points was that there wasn't really good match grade 260 cases available. Wouldn't it have just been easier to make good 260 cases?
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And, last I checked even 60,000 PSI was a GROSS pressure overload for a Swede based on SAMMI specs. So why are you telling me? Tell that to John Barsness.
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If there is a more perfecter New England deer rifle, I don't know what it is....... Would be perfect in the south east as well. Especially in a .250-3000.
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And, last I checked even 60,000 PSI was a GROSS pressure overload for a Swede based on SAMMI specs. So why are you telling me? Tell that to John Barsness. Why should I tell that to MR Barsness? He does not agree with your either. Go back and read his posts here. The top end load data he recommends adhears to SAMMI specs. Which are nowhere NEAR 60,000PSI for the 6.5 swede. And, using that data, he only MATCHED 6.5 Creedmoor velocites given the same length barrels, he did not exceed them. Which was pretty much the point of his post. The 60,000 PSI crap was posted by someone else here .Perhaps you should ask him on out on a date.... 
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No, Jim, the top end OVERALL CARTRIDGE LENGTH I used to measure case capacity was SAAMI.
I load the 6.5x55 to much higher pressures than SAAMI, using Nosler, Norma or Lapua data.
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No, Jim, the top end OVERALL CARTRIDGE LENGTH I used to measure case capacity was SAAMI.
I load the 6.5x55 to much higher pressures than SAAMI, using Nosler, Norma or Lapua data. Why would Nosler publish load data higher than SAMMI specs? And even given the higher than spec loads, it does not appear that your 6.5 swede loads- barrel length being equal- really outperformed the slightly smaller cased rounds.
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The answer to your second question: That was my point. All three rounds have similar case capacity, so will perform similarly when loaded to similar pressures.
As for Nosler's data, I can only guess that they wanted to provide handloader's with data suitable for modern rifles, given the 6.5x55's recent popularity. Their technical information says, "These loads are intended for use only with new firearms in good condition."
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The answer to your second question: That was my point. All three rounds have similar case capacity, so will perform similarly when loaded to similar pressures.
As for Nosler's data, I can only guess that they wanted to provide handloader's with data suitable for modern rifles, given the 6.5x55's recent popularity. Their technical information says, "These loads are intended for use only with new firearms in good condition." Well the reason why I asked, is I did not seen see any Nolser data posted that approached 3,000FPS with a 120g bullet. http://www.nosler.com/Reloading-Data/6.5x55mm-Swedish-Mauser-120-Grains.aspx
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Why have data for 45-70s in different actions? Because people are smart sometimes and use the correct info with the correct action.
Now, back to the OP. If you build on a 700 SA go with an extended box magazine and 260 Rem. Otherwise buy a new Savage or Ruger in either chambering and kill something.
Not too hard to figure out, just minutae that gets in the way of decisions. Don't over analyze if you aren't going to shoot over 500 yards, either chambering will do.
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Jim,
Nosler doesn't list all their manual data on the website. Otherwise nobody would buy the manual.
Here's the max data for the three fastest loads for the 120 Ballistic Tip from the manual:
50.5 AA3100--2974 fps
47.0 H4350--3000 fps
48.5 RL22--3002 fps
I list the AA3100 load because Nosler used a 23" barrel for the 6.5x55 data. With the standard SAAMI 24" barrel that load would also get right around 3000 fps.
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Lapua/Vihtavuori Data. Scroll down to 120 grain bullets.You cannot get close to 3056 FPS with SAAMI pressures. But, there it is from a major player in the reloading business. JB pretty well sums up my view: There is not enough difference in the three cartridges to matter a dime's worth. Which you use is a matter of taste, convenience, and the shooting platform you like.
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You guys are just wasting your time.
Jim doesn't understand.
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So......would it be OK to use 260Rem load data for the Swede? This of course would be in a modern rifle .
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Seems like a fun and user friendly round. Anyone know who's gonna be making factory ammo for it and who will be chambering rifles for it? (and I hope they get em twisted right)
Thx
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So......would it be OK to use 260Rem load data for the Swede? This of course would be in a modern rifle . No, because the case capacities are different and pressure depends on volume. The 6.5x55 has a little more case capacity, so 260 loads in a 6.5x55 should produce slightly lower pressures and MVs. But if you can measure your pressures, you should be able to safely exceed the 260 MV by a little bit.... not much. As I said, not quite a dime's worth.
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