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So... wait a minute. Your challenge to us was to show a published load that came within 100 FPS of 3000. JB cited some. Somehow those don't count? I showed you one from Lapua, and somehow that doesn't count either? Even if you dial it back 50-60 FPS to account for the difference in barrel length? Quite independent from Lapua, I instrumented my 6.5x55 and came up with a load that shoots 6 FPS slower than Lapua at pressures below 60 KPSI. Somehow that doesn't count? Tough audience! I saw one of those once. It wasn't nearly as bad an experience as you seem to think. A already concede that. Fine . With Hot European data using non- US made powders there are loads published by Lapua that run 3,000FPS. Fine. With those same weight bullets the 6.5 creedmoor will match that in equal length barrels. Which is something ELSE J.B. also pointed out.
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And all this has what to do with a 6.5 Creedmoor??
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When discussing apples to oranges- the 6.5 Swede, the .260 and the 6.5 Swede, given EQUAL barrel lengths, the Swede will not outdo either of the shorter cases. Even with hot European loads. LOL! man, you are on a roll tonight jimmy. In a modern action, given equal barrel length and equal pressures the Sweede with it's larger capacity will indeed out speed the other two.
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Quite a few non-US made powders used in ALL guns.
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the 6.5 Swede, the .260 and the 6.5 Swede, given EQUAL barrel lengths, the Swede will not outdo either of the shorter cases. Yes it will, by a small margin, and with no more danger than firing commercial 30-06 or 270 ammunition.
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When discussing apples to oranges- the 6.5 Swede, the .260 and the 6.5 Swede, given EQUAL barrel lengths, the Swede will not outdo either of the shorter cases. Even with hot European loads. Why are you comparing two Swedes and one 260???????? What was the question again??  
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Goodnight Jimmy,
I've got an early flight to Kona in the a.m.
Aloha buddy!
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When discussing apples to oranges- the 6.5 Swede, the .260 and the 6.5 Swede, given EQUAL barrel lengths, the Swede will not outdo either of the shorter cases. Even with hot European loads. LOL! man, you are on a roll tonight jimmy. In a modern action, given equal barrel length and equal pressures the Sweede with it's larger capacity will indeed out speed the other two. Theres NO way to prove the "equal pressure" pressure claim. Because none of the hotter Swede European loads show pressure data. For all we know, those 6.5 Swede loads could already equal the pressures the .260 and 6.5 creedmoor are loaded to(about 60,00PSI). And, those loads are SO far beyond American loads that have solid pressure data, you are literally flying blind hotrodding a Swede. Which is really a stupid thing for anyone who does not have lab quality pressure testing equipment. Wild ass guessing should not be part of load workup. It's sad folks like you promote such stupidity for a few extra FPS. The next thing you will probably do is try to tell me the Swede can push 140g slugs as fast as a .270WCF with equal pressures.. I've heard that BS before and that is pure fantasy as well..
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What a thread! I'm thinking the 6.5 Creedmoor would make a damned adequate Canadian whitetail round!
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What a thread! I'm thinking the 6.5 Creedmoor would make a damned adequate Canadian whitetail round! No they bounce off.. Damned new Hornady Interlocks... 
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As JB stated Nosler 6 on page 226 shows 2 loads using American powder reaching 3000 with a 120gr NBT in a 23" Lilja tube.
H4350 and RL19 are 3k and over.
AA3100 is at 2974 and that in a 23" tube.
I for one trust Nosler to publish data which isn't going to kill me or my modern actioned rifle.
But then I load my 7x57 hotter than 51Kpsi and my 8x57 a hell of alot hotter than 35Kpsi.
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As JB stated Nosler 6 on page 226 shows 2 loads using American powder reaching 3000 with a 120gr NBT in a 23" Lilja tube.
H4350 and RL19 are 3k and over.
AA3100 is at 2974 and that in a 23" tube.
I for one trust Nosler to publish data which isn't going to kill me or my modern actioned rifle.
But then I load my 7x57 hotter than 51Kpsi and my 8x57 a hell of alot hotter than 35Kpsi. Yep, I realize those loads exist. I have no problem with them. My issue is with folks(SU-35) who claim you can push the Swede even faster than that just because the rifle it's chambered in will take 65 K PSI before it comes loose.
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All that said if I were using a long action I'd skip right past the 6.5x55 and chamber for the 6.5-06. No stinkin' SAAMI gobbledygook for that one!  If I wanted a short action I'd go with the .260 Rem.
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All that said if I were using a long action I'd skip right past the 6.5x55 and chamber for the 6.5-06. No stinkin' SAAMI gobbledygook for that one! If I wanted a short action I'd go with the .260 Rem. N, I have not seen a thing you've posted on this thread I disagree with.
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My issue is with folks(SU-35) who claim you can push the Swede even faster than that just because the rifle it's chambered in will take 65 K PSI before it comes loose.
SU-35 is milquetoast compared to some of the pressures Clarkma is running!  He posts that he pushes 90K+ with 25-35 brass in K98's and 88k+ in .243!! He's an engineer and he defends his loads as safe but those ones are too high for me.
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My issue is with folks(SU-35) who claim you can push the Swede even faster than that just because the rifle it's chambered in will take 65 K PSI before it comes loose.
SU-35 is milquetoast compared to some of the pressures Clarkma is running! He posts that he pushes 90K+ with 25-35 brass in K98's and 88k+ in .243!! He's an engineer and he defends his loads as safe but those ones are too high for me. Those .243 pressures are crazy. I think more .243s have been blown up in the last 50 years than any other bolt action round?
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Note to Jimmy: the only US made powders are Winchester and a few of the Hodgdon and Alliant ball numbers.
Don't let the facts bother you, though. FWIW, Dutch.
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anyone who does not have lab quality pressure testing equipment But I do. And I just built another one from my own design.
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Wow! Jim, take a chill pill! If you didn't have 3000 posts I'd call you a Troll just for your "Arguments" sake. It seems to me you're standing your ground just to argue. Long winter? Go out and shoot something. Now, with all that's been said I had a chance to look very seriously at the 6.5 CM. Good round. As good as the others, velocity wise. If one does not reload, it would be a very good choice but then I shoot 2-3 factory rounds a year, usually to compare my reloads. Short action, IMHO = 6.5 CM, 260 Rem and my favorite 6.5x47. Long action, IMHO = 6.5x55, 6.5-06, 6.5x57/257, etc. As previously mentioned, it boils down to action length, brass preferences/availability, likes/dislikes, "cool" factor, rifle availability, price and budget, etc. I shoot monthly tactical/sniper matches with a few guys who shoot the 6.5 CM. Winners and losers are not measured by velocity but by ability. Oh, and I can push my 6.5x47 with 140's and Rel 17 to over 2900, way over, with zero pressure signs. One has to know what they are doing, have the right tools and be willing to experiment. Jim, stay away from this stuff. It's HOT and you're NOT!  Alan
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Mark,
Ruger also makes a sporter-weight Hawkeye with a 26" barrel in 6.5 Creedmoor. This is the model I bought at Capital Sports just before hunting season. It weighs around 8-1/4 pounds with scope, but the barrel could easily be bobbed considerably and still work fine as a hunting rifle. In fact I may do that with mine--and then again I may not.
The little round is very impressive (especially in the 26" barrel) and the Hawkeye is one of the most accurate OTB factory rifles I've ever owned. The first 5-shot group with factory ammo (Hornady) was .63" at 100 yards. Barrel twist is 1-8".
I fooled around with several handloads, using bullets from 100 TTSX's to 140 VLD's, and the rifle just kept grouping well. I finally pretty much settled on the 120 Ballistic Tip at just under 3100, using a max load of Hunter powder. It shoots real well and kills stuff too!
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