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FC363, you need to brush up on the facts. Tech never played for a Big 12 Championship, ever. We won our share of games under Leach for sure, but no championships. Tech lead the nation in offense and passing for many years under Leach, not just Harrell. Remember Kingsbury, BJ Simons and others? Probably not. Average talent with a few studs mixed in, but very, very few. I'll bet you can't name 10 players in the past 10 years that have done anything in the NFL. OU had 4 first rounders last year. Leach had an offensive system, and the system worked great with average talent.

Drum, I should have said we seldom beat UT......would've been more accurate.


I dont need to brush up on anything to figure out that Leach's success on the field rested with his players.


Really dude? confused

Your ignorance is almost comical


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You could almost understand and give a guy from Indiana a pass on being ignorant on Tech football, but geeeeesh........hard headed stupidity is another matter.


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I suspect that the vast majority of those so mystified and taking pot shots at those LSU fans that want Les gone are:
1) NOT alum
2) Have never donated one red cent to the Atheletic Foundation.
3) Watched between 0-2 LSU games this year.
4) Would soil themselves if Les was announced as the new head coach of their school.

I also notice no one mentioned a prime example of his coaching brillance in the Cotton Bowl. The challenge on the touchdown when it was 1st down and less than one FOOT to go for a TD in the first half and he challenged the spot/call (that of course stood). whistle
To answer some of you who just can't understand what "all the fuss is about". I want a coach that coaches UP and brings the best out of the kids and gets them to play to their potential. It's not just about the record. It's about how well your team plays and are you making the most out of what you have. Les, inheirted a talented bunch and recruiting juggernaut and his big accomplishment is he's been able to keep the wheels form coming off (despite the white knuckled ride). The man needs to GO! Yes they've had an impressive record since he's been there. I assure you, a great coach, even a pretty good one, would have done even better. I promise you Nick Satan (evil incarnate) would have had at least one other BCS championship and at least 2 additional BCS bowl games. Anyone reading this thread would have had a hard time not doing as 'well' as Les.
Did anyone really think his denial about not hearing from Michigan was honest? That is one lie I can forgive him for.
As someone said, he who pays the bills is boss. I trust the AD's words are simply marketing or class on his part and they allow Les to move on.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6003504


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If he doesn't go he'll get a raise and LSU will go thru the same stuff next time Michigan fires their coach - in about 3 years from now.

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BATON ROUGE, LA (WAFB) - The waiting game continues for LSU football fans. Many are anticipating Michigan will make its pitch to alum Les Miles and university officials expect something might happen in the next 24-48 hours.

For the second time in three days, a Lear twin-engine jet with Michigan's maize and blue colors landed at Baton Rouge Metro Airport. It landed early Saturday afternoon. It's not clear whether there were athletic department officials aboard or just representatives of Miles' alma mater, maybe a former teammate or friend.

The same plane landed in Baton Rouge Friday morning and took off about two hours later. Sources said Miles spent the day with family and has told his players he is staying at LSU, but does have a pre-scheduled trip back to Dallas coming up Tuesday for the American Football Coaches Association, where he is one of the headline speakers.

Athletic Director Joe Alleva said there was nothing new on LSU's end.



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Originally Posted by FC363
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Great talent makes average coaches look like a genius. Miles is the poster child for this.


No, that would be Mike Leach.


Really? What great talent did he have besides Crabtree? Back that statement up please. Don't just not respond like you missed this, please enlighten us

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I thought i was pretty clear about this, but apparently some need clarification, so here goes.

Mike Leach was HC at TTU for quite a while before they really had any success. News flash: he had about the same average talent as everyone else. It's only when a team gets real standout players that they separate themselves, such as when TTU had Harrell/Crabtree.

Before they showed up, TTU was just another team in the Big 12, AFTER, they were winning lots of games, putting up 50+ points per game, highly ranked, fighting for the Big 12 Championship, and on the Heisman ballot. At that time Leach was one of the hottest prospects for every high profile HC job that would be available.

After those players left, it was back to business as usual. 7 or 8 wins.

Now, is their anything that needs further explanation?


Name a coach that doesn't need great talent to get to the next level and we can talk about how what your trying to peddle has some merit.

Let me state this again. Leach, highest winning percentage of any coach at TT since 1940! He did more than any other has in modern times. The fact things got better when he had better players is only a negative to someone who wants anything they can think of to be a negative. You'd have more credibility if you just said you didn't like the guy personally rather than try to claim he's not a good coach because he had good players when he won more games than normal. Seriously...do you know how ignorant that sounds?


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Originally Posted by GeauxLSU
I suspect that the vast majority of those so mystified and taking pot shots at those LSU fans that want Les gone are:
1) NOT alum
2) Have never donated one red cent to the Atheletic Foundation.
3) Watched between 0-2 LSU games this year.
4) Would soil themselves if Les was announced as the new head coach of their school.

I also notice no one mentioned a prime example of his coaching brillance in the Cotton Bowl. The challenge on the touchdown when it was 1st down and less than one FOOT to go for a TD in the first half and he challenged the spot/call (that of course stood). whistle
To answer some of you who just can't understand what "all the fuss is about". I want a coach that coaches UP and brings the best out of the kids and gets them to play to their potential. It's not just about the record. It's about how well your team plays and are you making the most out of what you have. Les, inheirted a talented bunch and recruiting juggernaut and his big accomplishment is he's been able to keep the wheels form coming off (despite the white knuckled ride). The man needs to GO! Yes they've had an impressive record since he's been there. I assure you, a great coach, even a pretty good one, would have done even better. I promise you Nick Satan (evil incarnate) would have had at least one other BCS championship and at least 2 additional BCS bowl games. Anyone reading this thread would have had a hard time not doing as 'well' as Les.
Did anyone really think his denial about not hearing from Michigan was honest? That is one lie I can forgive him for.
As someone said, he who pays the bills is boss. I trust the AD's words are simply marketing or class on his part and they allow Les to move on.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6003504


Saying "It's not about the record" is like saying "It's not about the money."

Miles' shortcomings as a coach are basically clock management, and some coaching calls on game day, many of which work out well for him despite being against the norm. The rest of what you cite isn't an issue, but something folks have to make up to feel better about hating Miles. Doesn't coach players up? I'm certain you're referring to the QB situation. Does Miles coach QBs? Does every QB that gets good coaching up make a good SEC QB? That, along with the supposition that someone else would have done a better job? Crystal ball?

Look, just say you don't like him, he's not a fit. Don't make stuff up.


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Originally Posted by isaac
There's the man of the hour. I expect to hear from you tomorrow night unless you have a action planned evening already underway.


At this point, just hoping we have power. Ice storm hitting now. I'd say in any event, unless it's catastrophic, I'll be away from the computer, and if it's catastrophic, I may be stuck at home and unable to post.


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No, I won't miss it...don't know what lengths I'll have to go to to see it, but I won't miss it.


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Originally Posted by .280Rem
Originally Posted by GeauxLSU
I suspect that the vast majority of those so mystified and taking pot shots at those LSU fans that want Les gone are:
1) NOT alum
2) Have never donated one red cent to the Atheletic Foundation.
3) Watched between 0-2 LSU games this year.
4) Would soil themselves if Les was announced as the new head coach of their school.

I also notice no one mentioned a prime example of his coaching brillance in the Cotton Bowl. The challenge on the touchdown when it was 1st down and less than one FOOT to go for a TD in the first half and he challenged the spot/call (that of course stood). whistle
To answer some of you who just can't understand what "all the fuss is about". I want a coach that coaches UP and brings the best out of the kids and gets them to play to their potential. It's not just about the record. It's about how well your team plays and are you making the most out of what you have. Les, inheirted a talented bunch and recruiting juggernaut and his big accomplishment is he's been able to keep the wheels form coming off (despite the white knuckled ride). The man needs to GO! Yes they've had an impressive record since he's been there. I assure you, a great coach, even a pretty good one, would have done even better. I promise you Nick Satan (evil incarnate) would have had at least one other BCS championship and at least 2 additional BCS bowl games. Anyone reading this thread would have had a hard time not doing as 'well' as Les.
Did anyone really think his denial about not hearing from Michigan was honest? That is one lie I can forgive him for.
As someone said, he who pays the bills is boss. I trust the AD's words are simply marketing or class on his part and they allow Les to move on.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6003504


Saying "It's not about the record" is like saying "It's not about the money."

Miles' shortcomings as a coach are basically clock management, and some coaching calls on game day, many of which work out well for him despite being against the norm. The rest of what you cite isn't an issue, but something folks have to make up to feel better about hating Miles. Doesn't coach players up? I'm certain you're referring to the QB situation. Does Miles coach QBs? Does every QB that gets good coaching up make a good SEC QB? That, along with the supposition that someone else would have done a better job? Crystal ball?

Look, just say you don't like him, he's not a fit. Don't make stuff up.
You go to the trouble of actually typing quotes around a MISquote, attribute it to me, and then tell ME not to 'make stuff up'? laugh
I love internet forums. The great bastion of America's higher education system.
I put the word 'JUST' in there for a reason. Apparently I wasted the keystrokes.
I tell you what.... "I don't like him, he's not a fit and.... he's an idiot!". How's that?
Good luck to your Tiger/Eagle/Plainsmen tonight. I hope they stomp the snot out of the Ducks (even though I sort of like them, well as much as you can like a PAC10 team). If they don't, it won't be because of your coach.


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Some of You LSU people are either smoking crack, or just plain crazy. Why would you get rid of a winning coach like Les Miles with a proven track record to bring in an unknown. Yes, I watch a lot of LSU football, and he's made some questionable calls, but he's a proven winner. You folks need to be careful what you wish for. By the way, who do you think can do better?

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Originally Posted by jstall
Some of You LSU people are either smoking crack, or just plain crazy. Why would you get rid of a winning coach like Les Miles with a proven track record to bring in an unknown. Yes, I watch a lot of LSU football, and he's made some questionable calls, but he's a proven winner. You folks need to be careful what you wish for. By the way, who do you think can do better?



There ya go with all the name calling and where do you hail from........Mississippi....right.... smile

It doesn't matter why they want him gone, its their coach and their opinion.......anybody want to take a ole used to be able to win coach by the name of Mack Brown?? I believe we need a change as well!!! As for as who I would replace him with......maybe a assistant by the name of Applewhite.

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I take it you don't like folks from Mississippi, but I guess everythings bigger in Texas, including your ego. I hope you get Mack Brown or Applewhite, next year we can hear all the bitching about how they "only" won 9 games.

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Originally Posted by jstall
Some of You LSU people are either smoking crack, or just plain crazy. Why would you get rid of a winning coach like Les Miles with a proven track record to bring in an unknown. Yes, I watch a lot of LSU football, and he's made some questionable calls, but he's a proven winner. You folks need to be careful what you wish for. By the way, who do you think can do better?
I've never taken an illegal substance in my entire life so I guess that just leaves crazy. You are late on the diagnosis.
You've hit on the exact issue. Miles does NOT have a 'proven track record'. His record at OK St. was 28-21 and 16-16. Did he 'build a program' and LSU snatch him up? His last year he was 7-5 and 4-4. There's a 'track record' for you.
He walked into a program with LSU that was screaming down the expressway waving the fresh NC championship banner with a locker room loaded for bear.
In 2008, the year after winning the NC on some simply incomprehensible bizarre last week circumstances, and the first year he was without Saban recruits LSU was 8-5 and 3-5 in the conference. Since the last year of Saban recruits they have not even won their division, much less the conference (or obviously played for a NC). AND... he's had no shortage of talent. Can he recruit like Saban? No, but he's had a lot more to work with than many schools and done comparatively less.
I don't know what he'll do at/for Michigan (I'm trying to use that whole 'think positive/visualize' thing) but I promise you, had he come to the SEC into a struggling program, he'd have been gone after 2-3 years.
Les Miles did not make LSU. LSU made Les Miles.


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Originally Posted by JGRaider
Great talent makes average coaches look like a genius. Miles is the poster child for this.


That is the truth. He does Les with more than any other coach in the SEC and he doesn't even have to work at recruiting - he selects down there in Louisiana plus he crosses over into Mississippi and Texas with ease thanks to the school's tradition.

Don't get me wrong, he is a decent guy but he should have won three MNCs by now with the talent he has had and given the games he should have won that would have got him there.

Furthermore, but not for the absolutely failure on behalf of Derrick Dooley this season, to coach-up his UT team, Miles would have had a completely different season ... not to mention a few other games over the past couple of seasons.

If Miles goes to Michigan, (Hale to the conquering heros ... they are my second favorite team), then he will be exposed for exactly what JGRaider and I are alluding to - someone who is fortunate enough to have great talent fall into his lap but too dumb to know how to make the most of what has been given him.


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Originally Posted by Sig220
[quote=jstall].......anybody want to take a ole used to be able to win coach by the name of Mack Brown?? I believe we need a change as well!!! As for as who I would replace him with......maybe a assistant by the name of Applewhite.
At least Mack HAS in fact clearly proven what he can do AND at mulitiple schools. If there ever was an anamoly on a coach's record, this year would appear to be it for him.


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Like I said, be careful what you wish for. Good Luck!

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If anyone is the poster child for doing less with more, I think it's Mack Brown.

He is one of the top 3 recruiting HC's in FBS, but has only turned 1 of the multitude of top 5 recruiting classes he's had, into a NC.


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