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I don't dissagree with how a VLD kills, since it kills just like all bullet kill.

A VLD doesn't allow enough penetration on all shot angle thus not giving as good of a guarentee as other bullets

The VLD went to sleep as a target bullet and woke up a hunting bullet with no other changes.

...........Kills like "ALL" bullets kill??? It certainly does not! Principles are the same but the affects are different.

My shot angles are patiently waited for. At shooting angles of about 30 degress and less, the VLDs will do just fine as my own experience qualifies that to be true.

Interesting......

There are no "different concepts of killing".

All bullets "kill" through the mechanical destruction of tissue and bone...how much tissue is destroyed is a function of their design/build characteristics,impact velocity,rate of expansion,and the medium into which they are fired.

A hunting bullets'first job is to penetrate,second to expand....no necromancy involved.

With soft tissue hits,no bullet "guarantees" DRT....anyone with any hunting experience knows this.

I have no problem with anyone using any bullet they have confidence in....but some stuff I have seen runs pretty contrary to "VLD" wisdom....at one point I had killed 12-13 head of game,pretty much consecutively, that were essentially "DRT"; using various calibers and weights of Bitterroots at pretty high velocity(of course as with all great things, the string eventually ended;I suspect it was as much dumb luck as well as a great bullet).

...this is a bullet that does NOT fragment...at all.....rather, it opens pretty rapidly to a very wide frontal area,holds that broad frontal area until it is stopped or exits;very high weight retention..barnes like...through passage through the animal....

There was plenty of damage,and very dead critters....to claim any of this as "old school" is.....utter nonsense....and demonstrates lack of experience

I have long suspected that this....not fragmentation...is what makes things like BT's and possibly VLD's...to kill quickly...rapid expansion to a broad frontal area within vitals,crushing them rapidly in an area around the wound channel,not shards of core and jacket...problem is we can't "see" this happen,and design characteristics of the bullet do not leave the evidence,because the bullet has been destroyed during its' journey....so we assume this fragmentation created the wound channel....maybe to some degree,but I suspect the bulk of damage is done by the broad face of the expanded frontal area and not by some grenade-like effect....but what do I know?

I have come to view claims of "magic" results with BG bullets about the same as promises of tax breaks from politicians....both claims can prove illusory..and unlikely to occur.Your notions may vary.....

...................Yep! And when in the hunting fields, my Berger VLDs guarantee "elk" burgers.

Kills differently how? All of the bullets that I have ever used or seen used killed by massive blood loss or by taking out the central nervous system

What magic does the VLD use to "kill differently"

I am well aware of the damage created when a bullet comes unglued. You want to talk about damage inside you should see what a 300 grain SMK does inside and Elk chest cavity at about 150 yards. Not for the faint of heart, oh and no exit. They do the same thing to a deer under 300 yards, but when the range is beyond 300 yards they exit, eve on Elk

I have seen the same type of damage from the old cup and core bullets from the 60's and early 70's. I have also seen the VLD's used and they are a step back in history IMHO

...............That reminds me! Berger has their 338 caliber 300 gr VLD coming out? We`ll see how well it shoots from my 338-378 Bee. Yep! A reeeel step back allright!!

We have moved forward from standard cup and core the first step was the Partition, Bitteroot bonded core, A-Frame and TSX's and the AcuBond Bonded Cores, and now Berger brings us right back to cup and core.

YEA A REAL BREAK THROUGH ALL RIGHT ....

My score card says TSX 108, animals zero

Do you have a point?

Bob,

If you ever run out of Bitterrots, the Norma Oryx works very similarly--and is usually VERY accurate as well.

...............That reminds me! Berger has their 338 caliber 300 gr VLD coming out? We`ll see how well it shoots from my 338-378 Bee. Yep! A reeeel step back allright!!

I love the Berger VLD threads (along with .22's on big game, "killing power," adequate elk rifles, etc. etc.) because they always bring out the same people, who all claim they're not trying to change anybody's mind, but keep posting and posting and posting and posting....

� and plenty or ways for a less than satisfactory ending.......