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A fool says in his heart there is no God.

Tell me what you believe on your 11th hour.

A man scared for his life and condition, clings to the notion that there exists a God. That man is scared of nature and of his fellow man. He is scared of education, and his world is shaken by the idea that he might be alone when he dies.

-=tpr=-

Irrespective of mine, or anyone else's beliefs in a God
or not...

For me personally, a large portion of the people who identify
themselves as Christian are enough to sour me on the whole
concept. Telling someone they are a fool because they don't
believe what you do serves what purpose?

The problem is that if you fail to recognize an objective standard of good and bad beyond yourself then you've also surrendered the right to make value judgments about the actions of anyone beside yourself.

I understand that as a person who begins and ends with yourself that you don't accept the concept of sin and you certainly are entitled to believe whatever you like. As a matter of fact, you may well be a better man than me even according to the standards you yourself reject.

The problem is, God's bar is higher than me; it is Himself. And just as my denial of gravity would not allow me to fly, your denial of the concept of sin doesn't allow you to avoid answering for yourself at the end of all time.

We can't lean on our own righteousness at that point because not only have we committed sins (adultery & theft, for instance) but we have also ommitted acts of righteousness that positively fulfill Gods Law. To be made right at that high of a standard we must look to Christ who committed no sin and ommitted no righteousness. He was perfect, and by claiming Him and His righteousness we can recieve grace on that last day.

I say "we" because that offer is made to you and anyone else who looks at himself and sees something that is, to avoid the "s" word, "less than perfect" and in need of One who was... and is... perfect.

I did not say it...God did.

As for not believing that is your choice. Remember just because you choose not to believe a truth does not render it untrue.

Sadly, I understand exactly what you mean and agree.

I've met plenty of Atheists, Budhists, Agnostics, and Muslims that were jerks too, though.

Thats a human problem... some call it sin... only one religion offers a definative answer to it, though.

And yes, Atheism is a religion.

Translation: You are willing to let a bunch of hypocrites keep you away from
God. Or, you are using said hypocrites as an excuse to keep from serving God. I can say that because I was once there myself, but I have learned better.

Yes, it's an ongoing task for me, a growing process, to keep seperate
what I think about God and spirituality from what I see
(the negativity) of
fellow man doing and saying for the advancement of what
they believe as right.

To put it into my own language, I tell myself constantly
"Don't be mad at GOD for what Bro. so-and-so did or said
to me"

Could be, like I said, I'm workin' on it.

Jeff, it took me a long time to get past that. I wish you well, and I hope you didn't take my post as an attack. I really have been there.

And because you choose to believe something to be the truth, does not make it true.

Nah, it bit a little, but sometimes that's a good sign
of some truth in something. Thanks.

You only have 1 choice to make: Jesus or not. The choices between Islam, atheism, Bhuddism, etc. are all the same choice - not Jesus. Your eternal soul depends on your choice. Don't be wrong.

I am far from perfect, have said nothing�would say nothing�to the contrary. Rectitude or righteousness is a mere theory. When I go I will expect nothing, beholden only to my family, and dear friends.

I can accept that there is nothing after this. I have made peace with that idea.

-=tpr=-

Wow, What faith!!!

And... I have not judged anyone here. So far I have been insulted with name-calling twice in the last two pages. I am blown away by how little command is had of this language, and how misunderstood simple words like "hypocrite" and "sin" are.

-=tpr=-

If that's what you decided, it's not like you have a choice in making peace with it.

Explain them if you please.

Yeah, I am constantly puzzled by the actions of some.
On one hand, we're all nice guys right? If we got something
wonderful and right in our life, we want to share it with
everyone else, right?

And if you follow a literal interpretation of most scripture
I've been exposed to, you are called on to recruit, right?

Just saying a lot of the activity seems counterproductive
to those ends. At least the Christians don't kill ya if you
don't agree with 'em, like those awful Muslims do.

OH WAIT - I guess I should add "at least not lately anyway"... oh nevermind!

Back to the original topic, whether the morons in Topeka believe what they spout or not, they're the only church that uses their particular cause as a fund raiser. They are despicable people regardless.