It must be that extra 50 fps velocity, but my 7x57 with 160's at 2750 fps drops elk, kudu, gemsbuck, etc with only one shot. The idiot even mentions how much better a .280 would be. Big difference there! Reminds me of a buddy who hunted whitetails with a .300 Wby and was always talking how a .30-06 wouldn't kill whitetails while the .300 would flatten them at 600 yards. He couldn't understand that a 200 yard .30-06 and a .300 at 325 were the same thing. No cure for ignorance unfortunately. I honestly don't believe you could shoot all four legs off, and put the other ten in the guts and have the elk ignore you like that, just another BS story.