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Certain versions had/have questionable expansion capabilities.
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I would use them if they had a longer window of operation. Cup and cores will still open going 400fps slower.
2200fps minimum speed for the TSX/TTSX to open reliably.
1800fps or less for cup and cores to open reliably.
I don't want to have a longer than average shot end up with no expansion.
They are a good shooting bullet though.
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I agree. That is why I use BT's and AB's for "most" of my hunting. I do shoot TTSX's though but at screaming velocities.
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Okay, next question.
For those of you that think negatively of them...
What are your personal experiences to reach that conclusion?
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I haven't had the chance to shoot anything with them, but my guns seem to group them pretty well.
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2200fps minimum speed for the TSX/TTSX to open reliably. Hmmm, curious where you're getting that figure?
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I haven't had the chance to shoot anything with them, but my guns seem to group them pretty well. My bet is that you've never seen anything like it when you do. 
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I have shot everything from 6.5 to .375 and am very pleased with the accuracy. I have not used the .375 on game but all my other rifles have been very efficient killers wth the original X, the TSX and indeed the old original Barnes cup and core. I have never had a copper fouling problem, but cleaned frequently in the old days.
I reload for friends and I am kind of like a crack dealer. I give them a box to try and they all demand them after that. A box of TSX custom loas for their rifle is still cheaper for components that factory cup and core. I am not much of a business man, but a pretty good friend.
My one buddy has a Winchester model 70 Ranger that shoots 130 TSX at 3100 ft/sec into 3/8" all day long. He shoots three deer every year for his Dad and uncles near Peterborough. They all love his "magic" bullets.
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2200fps minimum speed for the TSX/TTSX to open reliably. Hmmm, curious where you're getting that figure? The official Barnes Line is that they will open from 1700-1900 FPS.... Frankly I don't know, mine have never gotten a chance to slow down that much before they landed on something... 
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Okay, next question.
For those of you that think negatively of them...
What are your personal experiences to reach that conclusion?
I have witnessed/experienced 3 instances. 2 with the 140 gr TSX launched at 3350 fps from a 7mm rum, Antelope bucks at less than 300 yards (both times). Both double lunged and they ran "forever". Same deal with an 85 gr TSX at 3500 fps from a 240 Bee. Double lung at 60 yards on mule deer doe. Lungs on all 3 animals did not look like jelly, they looked like they were stuck with a small diameter sword. Now all were harvested but we did track a while. Now to be fair since we switched to the TTSX we never had an issue!
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I did find this though Very interesting picture. Simulated hit at 1K yards (1800 fps) ![[Linked Image]](http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/FTLMar09308TTSX168gr1000ydBullet.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/FTLMar09308TTSX1000ydGelatin.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/FTLMar0912.jpg)
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2200fps minimum speed for the TSX/TTSX to open reliably.
1800fps or less for cup and cores to open reliably...
And your source would be...? When I asked Barnes (the very same who designed and manufacturer said bullet), they said 1800 is published, but they opened quite a bit slower in testing for the specific TTSX I asked about. They shoot real well too.
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From last Tuesday, .30/ 150G's of TTSX Luv. One could comment that they WAY, way OverPenetrated... ![[Linked Image]](http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac15/MickeyMcCake/kln.jpg)
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I haven't had the chance to shoot anything with them, but my guns seem to group them pretty well. My bet is that you've never seen anything like it when you do. I'm telling you, I can't wait! Only 6 more months........
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If you're worried about expansion at lower velocity with a Barnes bullet, drop down one weight and load em up. They will penetrate and expand, AND shoot flatter at range. My wife killed a nice bull moose a couple years ago with a 150 gr TSX out of her 30-06. Guessing the impact velocity was @ 2500-2600. Complete penetration, and the moose dropped at the shot and stayed right there.
Barnes TSX is "da bomb!"
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From last Tuesday, .30/ 150G's of TTSX Luv. One could comment that they WAY, way OverPenetrated... Turkeys with a rifle....its a sin!
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Forgive me father, for I have sinned.......
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Okay, next question.
For those of you that think negatively of them...
What are your personal experiences to reach that conclusion?
Off the top of my head, I think I have about ten X bullets collected over the past couple of decades. Assuming we go with the "they way overpenetrate" theme, that means a pretty small number compared to the game shot with them - and it is. Unless you are willing to be pretty loose with the definition of the term "reliable", I wouldn't call them that when they slow down considerably. And I wouldn't say "negatively" describes my thinking about them. When they work like they're supposed to, you wonder why you'd want to use anything else. Unfortunately, when they work well happens to be in a window that still qualifies as something of a niche. On the plus side, that niche - distances and speeds where they do work reliably- also happens to be where the majority of users make the vast majority of use of them, so you'll hear few complaints. But most people who get over their infatuation with anything when they get burned a few times. They are great bullets for most conditions, but there are still bullets which probably could be considered very good bullets over a broader range of use.
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Klik,
Are you speaking mainly about X and XLC bullets, or are you speaking about your experience with TSX and TTSX bullets, too?
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Okay, next question.
For those of you that think negatively of them...
What are your personal experiences to reach that conclusion?
Off the top of my head, I think I have about ten X bullets collected over the past couple of decades. Assuming we go with the "they way overpenetrate" theme, that means a pretty small number compared to the game shot with them - and it is. Unless you are willing to be pretty loose with the definition of the term "reliable", I wouldn't call them that when they slow down considerably. And I wouldn't say "negatively" describes my thinking about them. When they work like they're supposed to, you wonder why you'd want to use anything else. Unfortunately, when they work well happens to be in a window that still qualifies as something of a niche. On the plus side, that niche - distances and speeds where they do work reliably- also happens to be where the majority of users make the vast majority of use of them, so you'll hear few complaints. But most people who get over their infatuation with anything when they get burned a few times. They are great bullets for most conditions, but there are still bullets which probably could be considered very good bullets over a broader range of use. I'm not even sure a guy can even find X Bullets anymore.
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