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The Sako A7 Tecomate is without question the best factory rifle on the market. It is essentially a custom gun at production prices. The rifle is accurate, well-balanced, good looking, and loaded with custom features, including an awesome trigger and safety assembly, a full-length aluminum bedding system, one of the best designed and most functional stocks on the market, the recoil-taming Pachmayr Decelerator(r) Recoil Pad, and a custom-grade fluted barrel. No wonder it is guaranteed to shoot 1-inch or less 3-shot groups! When paired with the low profile Leupold VX-3L 4.5-14x50mm scope mounted on low Leupold Weaver-type rings, you have a fast-pointing combination with solid cheek-to-stock weld that makes the rifle a virtual extension of the shooter. Chambered for the powerful, flat-shooting .270 WSM and .300 WSM, the Sako A7 Tecomate lives up to it claim as the "Ultimate Whitetail Rifle" and is, in fact, the ideal rifle for anything in North America and African plains game. You can check out www.tecomate.com for more info or questions on the rifle.
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I certainly applaud David Morris for choosing Sako. I can also applaud Sako for making what is truly a custom rifle at a production price. I love my Sako 85 Finnlight in 300 WSM.
It is the last hunting rifle I will buy. If I could ever get it back from McMillan I aim to become quite proficient with it.
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The Sako A7 Tecomate is without question the best factory rifle on the market. It is essentially a custom gun at production prices. The rifle is accurate, well-balanced, good looking, and loaded with custom features, including an awesome trigger and safety assembly, a full-length aluminum bedding system, one of the best designed and most functional stocks on the market, the recoil-taming Pachmayr Decelerator(r) Recoil Pad, and a custom-grade fluted barrel. No wonder it is guaranteed to shoot 1-inch or less 3-shot groups! When paired with the low profile Leupold VX-3L 4.5-14x50mm scope mounted on low Leupold Weaver-type rings, you have a fast-pointing combination with solid cheek-to-stock weld that makes the rifle a virtual extension of the shooter. Chambered for the powerful, flat-shooting .270 WSM and .300 WSM, the Sako A7 Tecomate lives up to it claim as the "Ultimate Whitetail Rifle" and is, in fact, the ideal rifle for anything in North America and African plains game. You can check out www.tecomate.com for more info or questions on the rifle. Thank you SOOOOO very much for this unsolicited ad. And "without question the best factory rifle on the market", says, David Morris eerrrrrrr?
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The Sako A7 Tecomate is without question the best factory rifle on the market. It is essentially a custom gun at production prices. The rifle is accurate, well-balanced, good looking, and loaded with custom features, including an awesome trigger and safety assembly, a full-length aluminum bedding system, one of the best designed and most functional stocks on the market, the recoil-taming Pachmayr Decelerator(r) Recoil Pad, and a custom-grade fluted barrel. No wonder it is guaranteed to shoot 1-inch or less 3-shot groups! When paired with the low profile Leupold VX-3L 4.5-14x50mm scope mounted on low Leupold Weaver-type rings, you have a fast-pointing combination with solid cheek-to-stock weld that makes the rifle a virtual extension of the shooter. Chambered for the powerful, flat-shooting .270 WSM and .300 WSM, the Sako A7 Tecomate lives up to it claim as the "Ultimate Whitetail Rifle" and is, in fact, the ideal rifle for anything in North America and African plains game. You can check out www.tecomate.com for more info or questions on the rifle. Don't quit your day job at Beretta
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The Sako A7 Tecomate is without question the best factory rifle on the market. It is essentially a custom gun at production prices. The rifle is accurate, well-balanced, good looking, and loaded with custom features, including an awesome trigger and safety assembly, a full-length aluminum bedding system, one of the best designed and most functional stocks on the market, the recoil-taming Pachmayr Decelerator(r) Recoil Pad, and a custom-grade fluted barrel. No wonder it is guaranteed to shoot 1-inch or less 3-shot groups! When paired with the low profile Leupold VX-3L 4.5-14x50mm scope mounted on low Leupold Weaver-type rings, you have a fast-pointing combination with solid cheek-to-stock weld that makes the rifle a virtual extension of the shooter. Chambered for the powerful, flat-shooting .270 WSM and .300 WSM, the Sako A7 Tecomate lives up to it claim as the "Ultimate Whitetail Rifle" and is, in fact, the ideal rifle for anything in North America and African plains game. You can check out www.tecomate.com for more info or questions on the rifle. Don't quit your day job at Beretta 
"We hired a new social media person and one our strategies is to start hitting the hunting/shooting/outdoor sites telling people how great we are"......That ain't a strategy, it's called brand suicide.  OTOH, it may be just a troll looking for some attention.
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Especially when done this way!
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Especially when done this way! Yeah, I think the help at Baretta might be as stupid as the ones at Remington
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The Sako A7 Tecomate is without question the best factory rifle on the market. Huh? 
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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Anyone want to buy my A7......?
Seeing a lot of these lately...
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Especially when done this way! I don't know, those guys are pretty darn dense. Did you see how they about ran Marlin into the ground after Cerbus bought them?
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270WSM is a good caliber if you think magnums are your thing. The stock isn't bad, but does it have any checkering to aid grip? How about the hard as heck cock on open bolt like the other A7's? It's a great marketing tool for Sako and David Morris's Bucks of Tecomate. I've got a couple of Tikka's and Brownings that shoot as good, fit and finsish excellent, and pretty darn sure I didn't pay the extra to cover all the marketing hype.
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Especially when done this way! I don't know, those guys are pretty darn dense. Did you see how they about ran Marlin into the ground after Cerbus bought them? Yeah, I look at a Remlin guide gun several months ago that was awful.
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The Sako A7 Tecomate is without question the best factory rifle on the market. It is essentially a custom gun at production prices. The rifle is accurate, well-balanced, good looking, and loaded with custom features, including an awesome trigger and safety assembly, a full-length aluminum bedding system, one of the best designed and most functional stocks on the market, the recoil-taming Pachmayr Decelerator(r) Recoil Pad, and a custom-grade fluted barrel. No wonder it is guaranteed to shoot 1-inch or less 3-shot groups! When paired with the low profile Leupold VX-3L 4.5-14x50mm scope mounted on low Leupold Weaver-type rings, you have a fast-pointing combination with solid cheek-to-stock weld that makes the rifle a virtual extension of the shooter. Chambered for the powerful, flat-shooting .270 WSM and .300 WSM, the Sako A7 Tecomate lives up to it claim as the "Ultimate Whitetail Rifle" and is, in fact, the ideal rifle for anything in North America and African plains game. You can check out www.tecomate.com for more info or questions on the rifle. Thank you SOOOOO very much for this unsolicited ad. And "without question the best factory rifle on the market", says, David Morris eerrrrrrr? I dont know who is pimping the rifle here on 24HC but David Morris is a GOOD dude! I shared a camp with him this past season and he had the rifle in question. I personally liked it. I dont know if its any better that what I already have but it was sure a nice rifle. I understand that these types of advertiesments get old but I doubt very seriously that David is the one on here pimping them. He has a much larger audience to sell to on TV. Here is is 178" CO buck from this past season. He made a hell of a shot on this buck... ![[Linked Image]](http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/drumdaddy/p1000134.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/drumdaddy/img_0086.jpg)
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OTOH, it may be just a troll looking for some attention. I remember speaking with Ed Weatherby on this site just prior to his adopting Weatherby Nation for his interests. He was "lurking" in the late evening asking questions and advice. He also visited the Nosler forum.
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.....David Morris is a GOOD dude! I shared a camp with him this past season and he had the rifle in question. I personally liked it. I dont know if its any better that what I already have but it was sure a nice rifle. Was it chambered in 270 or 300 WSM ?
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How about the hard as heck cock on open bolt like the other A7's? My 85 bolt lifts like butter and feels like a precision mechanism.
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i don't about the rifle,david morris is farmer,not a hunter.callem by name before you shootem,him and foxworthy make a hell of a pair when it comes to sellin farm feed.
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I like Sako rifles...a lot. Until very recently I had an A7 that absolutely performed in every sense of the word last year in the wilds of Idaho.
Having said that, Sako took a page out of Remington's book when they made the first generation A7...
(A) Almost twice as expensive and relabeled it "Tecomate" (think "Alaskan" Ti).
(B) heavier (like the "Alaskan Ti as opposed to 1st generation Ti).
(C) added unnecessary flutes (Again...think "Alaskan" Ti).
With all this new "marketing", I can see why they needed to double the price.
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Tecomate....
an old indian phrase that means...
"shoot em with thier head in the bucket"...LOL!!!!!
David Morris and jeff foxworthy...what a couple of dick weeds......(roll eyes)
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I understand that these types of advertiesments get old but I doubt very seriously that David is the one on here pimping them. He has a much larger audience to sell to on TV.
Here is is 178" CO buck from this past season. He made a hell of a shot on this buck...
LOL,..Well when you run out of kool-aid Im sure david morris will sell you all you want...Even comes in the latest camo pattern I'm sure!. Tested and proven on the tecomate ranch no doubt.......
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looks like david morris has the extended arm photo technique down pretty good......
As to the gun. Might be great. All I can say that in this day and time advertising 1 inch 3 shot goups is a waste of breath. I haven't seen a factory rifle that wouldn't do that in a LONG time.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Both my early A7's advertised 5 shot groups and both do with ease.
Who's David Morris?
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looks like david morris has the extended arm photo technique down pretty good......
Bigs big, doesnt matter how you hold em. I can tell the difference between a mediocre buck thats made to look big and a big deer that looks big. Are you implying that this buck isnt a big deer? Also, I can tell you guys that David is more than just a farmer, he is a great hunter and an absolute killer. He made a great shot on the buck he killed with us. Its spot and stalk whitetail hunting in very open country. There are no tree stand or tower blinds. When your spot and stalk hunting whitetails in open country you get a really good feel for guys that know what they're doing and guys that dont. I'm not trying to get into a debate about David Morris, just pointing out that the person pimping the gun is most likely not him. If you dont like the gun, dont buy it. If you dont like David Morris, dont watch his show. Drummond
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I'm totally speculating and adding in some of my own feelings here, but when negative comments are made about the "celebrity" hunters, I think it may be cuz I think a lot of em on the boob tube nowadays come off as that it is easy or no big thing about knocking down a B&C animal, they do it all the time, etc and I think it turns a lot of hunters off. Just sayin.
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I'm totally speculating and adding in some of my own feelings here, but when negative comments are made about the "celebrity" hunters, I think it may be cuz I think a lot of em on the boob tube nowadays come off as that it is easy or no big thing about knocking down a B&C animal, they do it all the time, etc and I think it turns a lot of hunters off. Just sayin. Its horn porn man,...Its not about hunting its about selling the product. What ever it takes...dave morris, jeff foxworthy, hank parker, the bone collector dip [bleep]...Geeze give me a break!  ...Its big money hunts (and I use that word loosley) taken on selling lies and manipulated realitys that are fabicated in the editing program of a computer to SELL PRODUCTS to make more money...Its all about money and how to get more of it..... But hey, I don't have a problem with it. Lets just be honest and call it what it is... Its no differant than prostitution to me, which I don't have a problem with that either...just don't try to sell me on the fact that its LOVE just because your the one making money off of it!!!..... 
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huntsonora: I'm inclined to side w/you. I've never met David or Jeff and I know there is a LOT of MARKETING involved.
IMO only, I think jealousy is involved in some negativism. I seriously think MANY would manage their land and forage like DM if they had the $ & opportunity.
Every deer lease I know uses food plots to some degree or other. We don't have the acreage or BIG equipment to compete on David's scale.
It SOUNDS like the A7 Tech. is a very good rifle BUT I am NOT paying $1200 or so for a deer rifle. There are several great rifles available for 1/2-2/3 the price.
I would go up against David and ESPECIALLY Jeff F. after deer or elk, with my Win 70 Winlite 300 WM and know the S Mags are NOT better than the original. I paid $370. not bragging, I found a bargain.
My Tikka T 3 Lite SS 270 Win (aka Sako) is a SUPERB rifle RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX. I paid LESS than 1/2 the price of the A 7 Tech.
It's light, well balanced, GREAT TRIGGER, and more accurate than needed for deer-elk.
What is wrong with being enthused or excited about hunting or your equipment? ? IF we could hunt in the places DM or Jeff F does WE WOULD.
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What is wrong with being enthused or excited about hunting or your equipment? ? IF we could hunt in the places DM or Jeff F does WE WOULD.
Ain't nothin wrong with enthusiasim,....but all we have to do is buy the tecamote food plot mix or the hank parker comere deer in a bag , or the sako a7 tecamote gun ,best value in a deer rifle hands down period  , and we too can kill bucks just like they do...It must work because they do it week after week on tv...... 
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tndrbstr, marketing, marketing, capitalism. I'm not opposed to either. I've proven to myself I don't have to have an A 7 to kill game.
It's NOT the gun or caliber, it's the opportunity to hunt WHERE the monsters are.
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looks like david morris has the extended arm photo technique down pretty good... Dude, you just apologized to John Burns and now you're talkin out of your a$$ again...178" is big anywhere especially FREE RANGE CO!!! Just sayin....
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The Sako A7 Tecomate is without question the best factory rifle on the market. It is essentially a custom gun [bleep]'A, I think your right. I'm gonna sell my custom rifles tomorrow and buy all Sako A7's.
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David Morris killed a lot of big deer a long time before he started with the Tecomate thing....he' been an avid hunter of big whitetails for many years.
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looks like david morris has the extended arm photo technique down pretty good......
Bigs big, doesnt matter how you hold em. I can tell the difference between a mediocre buck thats made to look big and a big deer that looks big. Are you implying that this buck isnt a big deer? Also, I can tell you guys that David is more than just a farmer, he is a great hunter and an absolute killer. He made a great shot on the buck he killed with us. Its spot and stalk whitetail hunting in very open country. There are no tree stand or tower blinds. When your spot and stalk hunting whitetails in open country you get a really good feel for guys that know what they're doing and guys that dont. I'm not trying to get into a debate about David Morris, just pointing out that the person pimping the gun is most likely not him. If you dont like the gun, dont buy it. If you dont like David Morris, dont watch his show. Drummond Hell no, its a big deer. Don't really care who is pimping the gun, but with what, one post, thats pretty much pimping outright. As to big.. like I said its big, WTF would you resort to holding it at arms length then too....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I think I'll just carry my Savage 99. I don't dig new rifles, or bolt guns for that matter. Since I hunt in the swamps of the southeast, I don't need to shoot a half mile either. Is it me or is every new gun on the market made outta plastic and stainless, any of yall remember the days of blued steel and walnut?
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billy336, Yeah, I and we remember. I remember coming in from a day or week of hunting and the skin rubbed off my knuckles from those HEAVY guns stretching & straining my arms.
Now don't get me wrong. I have walnut & blue steel and appreciate not only the look but they also perform. What ruined me was a Ruger Ultra Light BACK in the 80s. That LIGHT rifle sent me into a warp that I can't and DON'T WANT to get out of.
The lighter your rifle, the longer and better you can hunt because you're not physically or mentally exhausted. The less physically taxed we are, the SHARPER we are in thot & shooting.
Also S S is more resistant to the elements and requires less maintenance.
That's how I see it anyway.
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Never seen a Tecomate version, but those A7's are sweet. I don't dare for short mags personally, so I wouldn't buy one. The plain old A7 is a killer.
I don't work for Beretta
I don't work for Tecomate
I don't know D Morris
That's a huge whitey no matter how he's being held
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looks like david morris has the extended arm photo technique down pretty good......
Bigs big, doesnt matter how you hold em. I can tell the difference between a mediocre buck thats made to look big and a big deer that looks big. Are you implying that this buck isnt a big deer? Also, I can tell you guys that David is more than just a farmer, he is a great hunter and an absolute killer. He made a great shot on the buck he killed with us. Its spot and stalk whitetail hunting in very open country. There are no tree stand or tower blinds. When your spot and stalk hunting whitetails in open country you get a really good feel for guys that know what they're doing and guys that dont. I'm not trying to get into a debate about David Morris, just pointing out that the person pimping the gun is most likely not him. If you dont like the gun, dont buy it. If you dont like David Morris, dont watch his show. Drummond Hell no, its a big deer. Don't really care who is pimping the gun, but with what, one post, thats pretty much pimping outright. As to big.. like I said its big, WTF would you resort to holding it at arms length then too.... I agree that somebody came on here and is pimping the gun, I doubt very seriously its David Morris. As for the pictures, why do you care how its being held? Why wouldnt we take good pictures? Its a big ass deer with great mass and character. We took the pictures with the deer being held at the best angles to show what he is. Even with the pictures that were taken, it doesnt do the buck justice. I'll tell you what, next year, when we again knock down some giants I will go out of my way to take a few [bleep] pictures just for you 
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huntsonora.....BIG 10/4 ! !
I hear green eyed monsters, how bout you?
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This WAS a gun I was considering buying. Not now, this kind of advertising pisses me off.
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That's a Grande whitetail.......damnation what a buck. Huntsonora, I didn't think you knew squat about big whitetails........ This guy killed this buck on the neighboring property to our whitetail place......he's got his arms stretched out too. I'm guessing he doesn't care. 
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I've proven to myself I don't have to have an A 7 to kill game. No, you don't. But, if you want one you should have one. My off the shelf 280 Remington has never needed replacing. But, I did want a Sako 85 Finnlight in 300 WSM. So I treated myself to one.
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This guy killed this buck on the neighboring property to our whitetail place...... ] Aint that just the way of it?!
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Reloader 28: Oh yes, indeed. The problem is that I have TREATED myself more than the "average joe". Seriously, My Tikka T 3 Lite SS in 270 W. is a SWEETHEART.
I don't want to make a list, so I'll just say that I am more than prepared for anything this side of AFRICA,& BROWN BEAR.
If Brown Bear or Africa gets to be on my list, I wouldn't have to BUY a rifle (375 or 416 RM), I could trade or sell & buy; so until that predicament arrives, I am very happy w/my arsenal.
Now there are, as most rifle loonies, a few that I wouldn't mind having. But it took me a LOT OF YRS. to acquire what I wanted and I CANNOT whine about anything. During that time it took me getting and getting rid of rifles/cal. to figure out what I wanted.
Yes, I have more guns & calibers, than I NEED but we're not talking need. Really there are only 2 that I can think of quickly that I would really like to have. One is a medium cal. and I have it covered. The other is a LARGE cal. and Elephants are not threatening me or my family. Soooo...
Thanks for the encouragement anyway. My wife would tell you to "go away" >Grin.
We might as well turn this thread into something useful! !
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As for the pictures, why do you care how its being held? Why wouldnt we take good pictures? Its a big ass deer with great mass and character. We took the pictures with the deer being held at the best angles to show what he is. Even with the pictures that were taken, it doesnt do the buck justice. I'll tell you what, next year, when we again knock down some giants I will go out of my way to take a few [bleep] pictures just for you I'm not sure how the thread turned into a David Morris bashing. I eluded to him in my original post not because he's not a good guy or envy in that he slays some serious whitetails. I did so only because of his over-exuberance when pimping the A7 Tecomate. BTW, Drummond, one of these years I'm going to need some help finding one of those piggy-poo's in CO. And, when we do, we're going to photograph the thing any gawd-damned way we please.
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looks like david morris has the extended arm photo technique down pretty good... Dude, you just apologized to John Burns and now you're talkin out of your a$$ again...178" is big anywhere especially FREE RANGE CO!!! Just sayin.... I never said it wasn't big, I was just laughing at the fact that the photos are set up with arms extended like folks do to try to make things look bigger still. Thats a large set of antlers. You don't see those every day. The whole point of the comments, in case you missed it, the OP, first post ever, is FREE ADVERTISING the rifle.. NOTHING MORE. Every other post I"ve seen like this gets jumped all over.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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JG,what part of W Texas was that deer killed?
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Oh yeah, I'm banned for life..... Those toolbags are probably ordering them as we speak.
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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So all the bashing aside has anyone had a chance to handle one or shoot one. Looking closer at it, the Tecomate is an A7 with a BC medalist stock. Buying an A7 and putting a BC stock on it probably would end up costing close to 1100. I have a BC stock on one of my rifles and like it, particularly the aluminum bedding structure. I am interested in the 270 wsm caliber just because....not sayin I need one. In looking at similar products like the Winchester extreme SS, Browning SS x bolt, the Tecomate price seems on par.
Maybe a better question is to ask the A7 owners what they think of their rifle.
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See my earlier post in this thread, as well as some of my previous posts about the A7.
The A7 is an awesome rifle,...if a bit on the ugly side.
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i have liked the cosmetics of this rifle since the get go and of course all the hype of the A7 accuracy really got me lusting...couldnt find one anywhere to check out in person so considering my personality, i thought i showed great restraint holding off six moths before biting the bullet!..found a dealer that would take one of my rifles on trade towards ordering me one and have had it for maybe two weeks now...i am happy the way it feels and balances in my hands but havent made the time to shoot it yet...will eventually find out how it shoots, but reality is, its purpose is for big game hunting so it would have to be a major anomaly for it not to be able to perform satisfactorily enough to fulfill that need..if it shoots bug holes w/ factory ammo , that would obviously be a bonus !
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Just bumpin' to keep this ad at the top...
Wish I could get paid, but I 'spose Rick wishes he could too...
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That's a Grande whitetail.......damnation what a buck. Huntsonora, I didn't think you knew squat about big whitetails........ This guy killed this buck on the neighboring property to our whitetail place......he's got his arms stretched out too. I'm guessing he doesn't care.
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BTW, Drummond, one of these years I'm going to need some help finding one of those piggy-poo's in CO. And, when we do, we're going to photograph the thing any gawd-damned way we please. Damn straight! Come on with it! We'll make sure to get a few crap photographs to make Rost happy
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looks like david morris has the extended arm photo technique down pretty good... Dude, you just apologized to John Burns and now you're talkin out of your a$$ again...178" is big anywhere especially FREE RANGE CO!!! Just sayin.... I never said it wasn't big, I was just laughing at the fact that the photos are set up with arms extended like folks do to try to make things look bigger still. Thats a large set of antlers. You don't see those every day. Rost, gotcha player. Funny thing is, the pictures we have dont do the buck justice at all. He's MUCH better in person
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efw: WHY? Why do YOU want to keep this ad at the top?
Whose payroll are you on? D M or Sako?
If there's not enough interest in it, let it fade.
That's the way I see it.
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So I'll add one more person on this forum who can't detect sarcasm without emoticons...
Note that I said I'm NOT getting paid, but thought that Rick (Bin, proprietor of this site) SHOULD.
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efw: MAYBE I misunderstood, I could NOT see sarcasm. It helps with an icon or <G> or something.
BTW, what are emoticons? <GRIN>
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reloader 28: this is a follow up on the A 7 Tech.
Not too long ago I saw a price on the Sako A 7 Tech. $1200.00
I haven't been to the official site BUT isn't that price CLOSE? X X X
Just got off Beretta site-- $1410.00 A7 Techomate SS
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Which brings us back to my point....$1400 is exactly TWICE what I paid for my A7 in August of last year. They made the rifle heavier, did nothing to improve accuracy, and DOUBLED the price.
From where I'm sitting, Beretta needs to focus on what their customers are saying and donkey punch the dip$hits in their marketing department.
They took a rifle that until now had a brief but sterling reputation and turned it into a punchline.
On a final and sincere note, have ANY of you ever been influenced to purchase a rifle because of who's shilling for it?
p.s. Those of you that shoot a .270 because Jack O'Conner said to do so are excluded because I'm in that category.
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iddave: EXACTLY, That 1410. is almost 3 xs what I paid for my Tikka T 3 Lite SS in '07 or 08.
Now, the same T3 is 620. I believe ?
There is ABSOLUTELY NO reason to spend $1400 + tax when EXCEPTIONAL firearms can be bought for SO MUCH LESS.
I remember when a Kleingunther, Colt Sauer, Weatherby Mk V (or whatever) was 700-800.
"I BELIEVE" the reason the price of firearms is so high -- people will pay the price.
If people quit paying their price-- they would come down!
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I'm gonna buy one. I hear that a 150 class buck comes with it.
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From where I'm sitting, Beretta needs to focus on what their customers are saying and donkey punch the dip$hits in their marketing department.
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Does it come with a bag of corn? That was funny.
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jwall, i agree !! i hated shelling out big bucks for a glorified t3
but i liked the way it looked so much !!! kinda like when you go shopping for a wife !
common sense says buy a syn./birch savage, stick a tasco/simmons on it and drop by the walmart and pick up a chinese bino and a $14 dollar a box ammo and go fill your tag, but wheres the fun in that ??
some guys are sick enough to have 2 safes full of big game rifles but always grab the same one every year when seasons come around regardless of the species..you know the .243 for the doe, the 25-06 for the antelope, the .270 for the deer, the .338 for the elk, the 300 for the combo deer/elk, the stw for the beanfield, the 45/70 for the timber and then grab either your .280, 30-06, or 7mm rem. like you do every other time on opening day !
couldnt really justify buying that tecomate when theres $$$$$$$ dollars sitting in the safe already that havent even been shot yet, but those damn beer goggles got put on again !!
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At least Tecomate doesn't sound like another way to say homo. I mean bonecollector? Seriously? Who came up with THAT name???
It's not anti-Capitalistic at all cuz I don't fault anyone who wants this rifle. For me all this hype with farm-fed deer, attaching a TV show name to a rifle, and then putting up advertisements like the OP REALLY turns me off and is enough to make me look at other rifles. You want to advertise on this site? Pay Rick to do so!
The Sako folks ought to see this thread. It sounds like I'm not the only one who thinks this way.
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looks like david morris has the extended arm photo technique down pretty good... Dude, you just apologized to John Burns and now you're talkin out of your a$$ again...178" is big anywhere especially FREE RANGE CO!!! Just sayin.... I never said it wasn't big, I was just laughing at the fact that the photos are set up with arms extended like folks do to try to make things look bigger still. Thats a large set of antlers. You don't see those every day. Rost, gotcha player. Funny thing is, the pictures we have dont do the buck justice at all. He's MUCH better in person Most times on large animals the photo does not do justice. Just never liked the extended arm thing with fish or deer. Wife was a photographer for papers for almost 25 yeras or so. We know how many pics you have to take to get a decent one. Hell in the film days... you'd take a roll of 36 hoping you'd turn one out decently. Anyway this thread got way OT really quick like they do here often enough. Damn shame a first post from some is simply free advertising and they never come back again, thats what gripes me. You want to advertise, then do it, the right way. I ain't seen nothing much from you that ain't been a stud, probably nothing IIRC. Wishing I had the cash sometimes when you post pics...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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So Sako is associating itself with penned bucks sold by the inches of rack. Good, now I know what to bring to that certin kind of hunt, and I would probably need a hunting suit from Saks.
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Stray Dog & efw: You fellows are casting aspersions or making accusations that are blatantly not true.
1. I see thru Sako, DM. et.al. on this commercial, name dropping rifle thing and I'm not having any. If anyone wants to pay that much extra, it's THEIR MONEY.
2. "Farm fed" deer is stretching things. Several times diff. people on the show talk about mature bucks that NO ONE has seen before. Yes, David has a farm but the deer are not in cattle lots.
3. "Penned bucks" is slander and you have to prove your point.
Every hunting 'ranch' that I have even looked at, has their hunts ranked by size of buck desired.
I'm not crazy about that idea BUT if I had a ranch in Tx., deer are more profitable than cattle these days.
4. I am opposed to free advertising under the PRETENSE of participating on any forum TOO! !
Just Food For Thot! ! No sarcasm.
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So Sako is associating itself with penned bucks sold by the inches of rack. Good, now I know what to bring to that certin kind of hunt, and I would probably need a hunting suit from Saks. How so? Is the Tecomate Ranch high fenced?
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I'm not crazy about that idea BUT if I had a ranch in Tx., deer are more profitable than cattle these days. Yes, yes they are,....and there in lies the whole kernnel of corn if you will.....Is all about contracts, percentages and the cut of the overall market....Ain't got [bleep] to do with hunting,... but it does have alot (everything) to do with money.... Where is Jackie Bushman in this thread? ( I reckon even a blind can hog can find acorns!!) ...I can't believe he hasn't been mentioned yet!... AND LETS NOT FORGET JIMMY HOUSTON!!!!! ..
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JGRaider: No it's NOT SO, high fence is just an EMPTY criticism.
Farm Fed deer is only true in a BROAD sense.
Penned Bucks is a LIE!
"tndrbuster" Yes, ALL HUNTING, FISHING, etc. shows participate and SOMEONE tell me/us what's SO MORALLY, ILLEGALLY, or otherwise WRONG with them. If you don't like them DON'T WATCH.
MY OPINION ONLY-- sounds like JEALOUSY pure and simple.
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The Sako A7 Tecomate is without question the best factory rifle on the market. It is essentially a custom gun at production prices. The rifle is accurate, well-balanced, good looking, and loaded with custom features, including an awesome trigger and safety assembly, a full-length aluminum bedding system, one of the best designed and most functional stocks on the market, the recoil-taming Pachmayr Decelerator(r) Recoil Pad, and a custom-grade fluted barrel. No wonder it is guaranteed to shoot 1-inch or less 3-shot groups! When paired with the low profile Leupold VX-3L 4.5-14x50mm scope mounted on low Leupold Weaver-type rings, you have a fast-pointing combination with solid cheek-to-stock weld that makes the rifle a virtual extension of the shooter. Chambered for the powerful, flat-shooting .270 WSM and .300 WSM, the Sako A7 Tecomate lives up to it claim as the "Ultimate Whitetail Rifle" and is, in fact, the ideal rifle for anything in North America and African plains game. You can check out www.tecomate.com for more info or questions on the rifle. wow, another [bleep] advertising troll. 
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Read the original post again jwall...... The Sako A7 Tecomate is without question the best factory rifle on the market. It is essentially a custom gun at production prices. The rifle is accurate, well-balanced, good looking, and loaded with custom features, including an awesome trigger and safety assembly, a full-length aluminum bedding system, one of the best designed and most functional stocks on the market, the recoil-taming Pachmayr Decelerator(r) Recoil Pad, and a custom-grade fluted barrel. No wonder it is guaranteed to shoot 1-inch or less 3-shot groups! When paired with the low profile Leupold VX-3L 4.5-14x50mm scope mounted on low Leupold Weaver-type rings, you have a fast-pointing combination with solid cheek-to-stock weld that makes the rifle a virtual extension of the shooter. Chambered for the powerful, flat-shooting .270 WSM and .300 WSM, the Sako A7 Tecomate lives up to it claim as the "Ultimate Whitetail Rifle" and is, in fact, the ideal rifle for anything in North America and African plains game. You can check out www.tecomate.com for more info or questions on the rifle. It is just a biased sales pitch that has its merit soley based on marketing and half assed personal opinion....Just like damn near 100% of marketing stratigies aimed at the hunting industry today( and 100% of the retail sales across the board).I have heard the same BS about everything from tennis shoes to the george forman grill.. .. Just because it has the name Tecomate attached it, that apparently gives them free reign to make any accusation or claim it wants to in the name of marketing. thats the bottom line pure and simple. Why would basicly last years gun all of a sudden be this years miracle firearm just because it now carrys the tecomate signature? And has been addressed in this thread, there are a whole list of production fire arms that are every bit as much of a value for the price and them some...I just picked a winchester super grade that I didn't pay near what this gun is being retailed for, but then I can't point to the tecomate signature to all of my buddys can I? (roll eyes)... but I will put its craftsmanship and shooting characteristics right up there with it.... "tndrbuster" Yes, ALL HUNTING, FISHING, etc. shows participate and SOMEONE tell me/us what's SO MORALLY, ILLEGALLY, or otherwise WRONG with them. If you don't like them DON'T WATCH.
MY OPINION ONLY-- sounds like JEALOUSY pure and simple. No jealosy involved with me I assure you.And as far as I know there is nothing illegal or imoral about this advertising stratigy what so ever. More power to em.  .. But is the same old story, don't take offence because folks that are not on thier first train ride call it for what it is.... If the poster thinks that this gun is the best thing since pockets on shirts thats fine by me...just don't come out with your first post ever and try to sell me on a pig with lipstick and all the reasons that YOU think I should marry it!...
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Hell with the rifle, check out this bargain. Tecomate 'Signature' property listing...a steal at $7 million complete with 70 acres....laughin' ![[Linked Image]](http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e78/montanasam/122417502523366.jpg)
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Hell with the rifle, check out this bargain. Tecomate 'Signature' property listing...a steal at $7 million complete with 70 acres....laughin' LOL,...I can just the guy that buys it carrying around his deed with him and pointing out to every body.... "SEE,...it says TECOMATE!!!! WHhoooHooooooo
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First thing I'd do is spend $100k on a fancy 'gate' entrance to the 'ranch'.....grin
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This guy killed this buck on the neighboring property to our whitetail place......he's got his arms stretched out too. I'm guessing he doesn't care.
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tndrbstr: Either I misread your intention OR you misread mine.
I thot you were agreeing w/me. My comments were in reference to at least 2 others.
I posted that I "wasn't having any of their advertising here, and am NOT buying the Tecomate A7 at their price.
I didn't think you were expressing jealousy. One stated they were farm fed deer. Another stated penned bucks.
I might be mistaken again, but I think you and I are on the same page.
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tndrbstr: Either I misread your intention OR you misread mine.
I thot you were agreeing w/me. My comments were in reference to at least 2 others.
I posted that I "wasn't having any of their advertising here, and am NOT buying the Tecomate A7 at their price.
I didn't think you were expressing jealousy. One stated they were farm fed deer. Another stated penned bucks.
I might be mistaken again, but I think you and I are on the same page. Probly are....when I highlited the "YOU" in last part of my post I was referancing the original poster and not you personaly....sorry for not makin myself a little more clear....
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tndrbstr: G O O D. Thanks for the reply.
It's easy to say something we don't mean, as it sounds or looks.
IMO, we are saying the same things.
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heres how i look at it, life is about what YOU value and how you prioritize it...the house wife stops at starbucks, grabs a coffee on her way to walmart and picks up a hammer before she gets ready to meet her friends at red lobster for lunch...the shop keeper goes through drive up at mcdonalds for his cup of coffee and runs of to work, heads to subway for a quick sandwich at lunch and swings back by sears and picks up a craftsman hammer before heading back to work, while the carpenter gets up, makes his own cup of coffee, packs a bologna sandwich for lunch and at the end of the day swings by tool outlet and buys an estwing hammer for his kids b-day present... at the end of the day, they have all spent 30-40 bucks and are equally happy, had there coffee, lunch and got there respective hammers...so which one is obviously flawed in their thought process ?
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e i: It's probably ME.
I'm too tired to sort it out now. You made my head hurt! <Grin>
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Eight pages of mostly negative posts regarding Sako, Tecomate, and all things associated.
Yeah, it was a GREAT marketing idea to submit the original post....
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first time poster with no history has got everybody shaken up..people slamming david morris and never buying another sako let alone a tecomate...wow !
is this a 14 year old kid who hasnt a clue and wants to be accepted and did a copy and paste ?
maybe a savy marketing guy for weatherby/remington/etc. knowing this will push peoples buttons ?
maybe someone thinking about buying one of these and seeing what kind of feedback is given ?
WHO KNOWS, all i know is its been fun following this when a nobody stirred the pot !!
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heres how i look at it, life is about what YOU value and how you prioritize it...the house wife stops at starbucks, grabs a coffee on her way to walmart and picks up a hammer before she gets ready to meet her friends at red lobster for lunch...the shop keeper goes through drive up at mcdonalds for his cup of coffee and runs of to work, heads to subway for a quick sandwich at lunch and swings back by sears and picks up a craftsman hammer before heading back to work, while the carpenter gets up, makes his own cup of coffee, packs a bologna sandwich for lunch and at the end of the day swings by tool outlet and buys an estwing hammer for his kids b-day present... at the end of the day, they have all spent 30-40 bucks and are equally happy, had there coffee, lunch and got there respective hammers...so which one is obviously flawed in their thought process ? e i: It's probably ME.
<Grin> Me and you both!!...We should of bought more stock in the hammer companys!! LOL....
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It is the last hunting rifle I will buy. If I could ever get it back from McMillan I aim to become quite proficient with it.
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If I had the cash to spare I would get one of these rifles.
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This guy killed this buck on the neighboring property to our whitetail place......he's got his arms stretched out too. I'm guessing he doesn't care.
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The Sako A7 Tecomate is without question the best factory rifle on the market. It is essentially a custom gun at production prices. The rifle is accurate, well-balanced, good looking, and loaded with custom features, including an awesome trigger and safety assembly, a full-length aluminum bedding system, one of the best designed and most functional stocks on the market, the recoil-taming Pachmayr Decelerator(r) Recoil Pad, and a custom-grade fluted barrel. No wonder it is guaranteed to shoot 1-inch or less 3-shot groups! When paired with the low profile Leupold VX-3L 4.5-14x50mm scope mounted on low Leupold Weaver-type rings, you have a fast-pointing combination with solid cheek-to-stock weld that makes the rifle a virtual extension of the shooter. Chambered for the powerful, flat-shooting .270 WSM and .300 WSM, the Sako A7 Tecomate lives up to it claim as the "Ultimate Whitetail Rifle" and is, in fact, the ideal rifle for anything in North America and African plains game. You can check out www.tecomate.com for more info or questions on the rifle. I have seen the Tecomate hunting program. If I were Sako, I would not want to be associated with David Morris and his high rise luxury box blind hunting, out of shape fat boy, farm fed deer assasins. What a joke, his style of hunting ranks right up there with taking your rifle to the local zoo.
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I have seen the Tecomate hunting program. If I were Sako, I would not want to be associated with David Morris and his high rise luxury box blind hunting, out of shape fat boy, farm fed deer assasins. What a joke, his style of hunting ranks right up there with taking your rifle to the local zoo.
The hunt he was on with us wasn't a gimme, no tame animals or box blinds. Nothing but open country spot and stalk and he killed a hell of a buck and it was a difficult situation with a quick shot. Have you hunted with David before to have such a strong opinion or are you making a decision about the man based on having watched an episode of his show? Don't answer that because if you had hunted with him you wouldn't have come on here and shown your ignorance. There are a lot of guys that don't have a clue that have hunting shows but I can assure you that David Morris isn't one of em. He is genuinely a class act and he is extremely knowledgable about whitetail deer. He is a pleasure to be around I agree that the spam advertising sucks, I'm not a fan of it and I am not defending it.
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huntsonora": A BIG TEN FOUR & THUMBS UP!
I agree w/you 110%.
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Nothing but open country spot and stalk and he killed a hell of a buck and it was a difficult situation with a quick shot. Don't answer that because if you had hunted with him you wouldn't have come on here and shown your ignorance.
Not making any judgement on david with this comment at all, apparently he did kill a hell of a buck. congrats to him..... ...but you say " it was a difficult situation with a quick shot" ,.....so I take it you were in fact setting next to him when the deal went down...right?.... Because if you were'nt, then in fact, you haven't hunted with him either...Just setting around the lodge and drinkin koolaid with him could very well be a whole differant level of ignorance altogeather imo...
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Regarding the OP, a gun with a 4.5-14 power scope on it isn't what I consider the "ultimate whitetail gun" for most of the eastern US. Give me a VX3 1.75-6 anyday.
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I'm just curious what the criteria for judging the "Ultimate Whitetale Rifle" is? I thought you could kill them with a blued rifle, wood stock, and corelocks.
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I have seen the Tecomate hunting program. If I were Sako, I would not want to be associated with David Morris and his high rise luxury box blind hunting, out of shape fat boy, farm fed deer assasins. What a joke, his style of hunting ranks right up there with taking your rifle to the local zoo.
Can't really blame Morris for this....that's how the overwhelming majority of whitetail deer nationwide, are killed every year! Morris as been around.....if a guy does as much hunting as Morris does, some big bucks will come easy,and some will take some effort.Anyone who has killed a significant number of mature bucks, knows this. Speaking in general,I notice a curious thing when it comes to the reaction of some folks when someone kills a big buck...automatically, some people think the hunter "cheated";didn't hunt hard enough,hunted an enclosure or game farm,poached it,had a fat wallet,hunted private property, (like that's some kind of great sin)...No doubt, sometimes this is true.But the last thing these critics want to assume is....the successful hunter knows what he's doing,...and they don't. But one thing is certain....if you kill any number of big deer,be ready..... you will be attacked eventually,no matter who you are...  My own deer hunting luck has been pretty good(I've been at it awhile .... and I have killed some good ones,which I have mostly bumped into.......recently I had a guy accuse me of having the deer "tied down" for me..(ridiculous).. killed far too many good ones, apparently,for this guy to comprehend,or accept as "legitimate".I am just too "lucky" and successful for him to accept.This guy does not really "hunt" much and I've known him to kill nothing really.... Point is,much of this criticism comes from people who have not killed any big bucks...(they can't do it so how could anyone else?)..nor put in the time and effort to do so......I think much of this criticism stems from the common human failing called "jealousy"...the Green Monster
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Always........... How much? Anyone want to buy my A7......?
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BobinNH, I couldn't agree more. Nobody likes a consistent winner.......in anything. I posted a pic of a giant whitetail sent to me by our landowner's grandson, where the neighbor's killed a monster. First thing someone posted was.....high fence????
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Yep the Sako A7 Tecomate. Comes standard with a corn feeder attached to the rear of the receiver and a tame buck tied to the trigger guard. The first 500 to order one will get their very own section of 20 ft chain link fence which they can use to start building their very own Tecomate ranch. LOL!
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I have seen the Tecomate hunting program. If I were Sako, I would not want to be associated with David Morris and his high rise luxury box blind hunting, out of shape fat boy, farm fed deer assasins. What a joke, his style of hunting ranks right up there with taking your rifle to the local zoo.
Can't really blame Morris for this....that's how the overwhelming majority of whitetail deer nationwide, are killed every year! Morris as been around.....if a guy does as much hunting as Morris does, some big bucks will come easy,and some will take some effort.Anyone who has killed a significant number of mature bucks, knows this. Speaking in general,I notice a curious thing when it comes to the reaction of some folks when someone kills a big buck...automatically, some people think the hunter "cheated";didn't hunt hard enough,hunted an enclosure or game farm,poached it,had a fat wallet,hunted private property, (like that's some kind of great sin)...No doubt, sometimes this is true.But the last thing these critics want to assume is....the successful hunter knows what he's doing,...and they don't. But one thing is certain....if you kill any number of big deer,be ready..... you will be attacked eventually,no matter who you are... My own deer hunting luck has been pretty good(I've been at it awhile .... and I have killed some good ones,which I have mostly bumped into.......recently I had a guy accuse me of having the deer "tied down" for me..(ridiculous).. killed far too many good ones, apparently,for this guy to comprehend,or accept as "legitimate".I am just too "lucky" and successful for him to accept.This guy does not really "hunt" much and I've known him to kill nothing really.... Point is,much of this criticism comes from people who have not killed any big bucks...(they can't do it so how could anyone else?)..nor put in the time and effort to do so......I think much of this criticism stems from the common human failing called "jealousy"...the Green Monster You nailed it, I could not have put it any better. Thank you Drummond
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I don't care for 'roided deer, but if someone wants to grow 'em like that, they can knock themselves out..
It's still a stupid marketing stunt.
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Randho - Your statement raises at least 1 question in my mind.
Why are you NOT interested in BIG whitetail bucks?
EVERY deer hunter I know or have known LOOKS FOR the biggest bucks w/ the biggest antlers they can find.
Even SMALL deer leases have 'Big Buck' contests w/in their membership.
Smells questionable to me.
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I am literally able to shoot unlimited whitetail in my area, and I am not jealous of anyone's accomplishments. Perhap's others do get jealous, it's human nature.
However, hunting tame deer over food plots and or baited fields by pot belly fat boys, simply rubs me the wrong way. There is a reason it is illegal in some states, lots of folks find it immoral. If you want to participate in it, that's fine. Just don't have the audacity to try to tell me which is the best all around deer rifle. Any tactical or sniper rifle will do for this slob style of hunting.
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Randho - Your statement raises at least 1 question in my mind.
Why are you NOT interested in BIG whitetail bucks?
EVERY deer hunter I know or have known LOOKS FOR the biggest bucks w/ the biggest antlers they can find.
Even SMALL deer leases have 'Big Buck' contests w/in their membership.
Smells questionable to me.
Didn't say I wasn't interested in big deer... Just not interested in growing 'em that way. Someone else wants to do it, fine by me, but I won't be spending my money and time that way.
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Didn't say I wasn't interested in big deer... Just not interested in growing 'em that way. Someone else wants to do it, fine by me, but I won't be spending my money and time that way. Exactly....agreed.
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I have seen the Tecomate hunting program. If I were Sako, I would not want to be associated with David Morris and his high rise luxury box blind hunting, out of shape fat boy, farm fed deer assasins. What a joke, his style of hunting ranks right up there with taking your rifle to the local zoo.
Can't really blame Morris for this....that's how the overwhelming majority of whitetail deer nationwide, are killed every year! Morris as been around.....if a guy does as much hunting as Morris does, some big bucks will come easy,and some will take some effort.Anyone who has killed a significant number of mature bucks, knows this. Speaking in general,I notice a curious thing when it comes to the reaction of some folks when someone kills a big buck...automatically, some people think the hunter "cheated";didn't hunt hard enough,hunted an enclosure or game farm,poached it,had a fat wallet,hunted private property, (like that's some kind of great sin)...No doubt, sometimes this is true.But the last thing these critics want to assume is....the successful hunter knows what he's doing,...and they don't. But one thing is certain....if you kill any number of big deer,be ready..... you will be attacked eventually,no matter who you are... My own deer hunting luck has been pretty good(I've been at it awhile .... and I have killed some good ones,which I have mostly bumped into.......recently I had a guy accuse me of having the deer "tied down" for me..(ridiculous).. killed far too many good ones, apparently,for this guy to comprehend,or accept as "legitimate".I am just too "lucky" and successful for him to accept.This guy does not really "hunt" much and I've known him to kill nothing really.... Point is,much of this criticism comes from people who have not killed any big bucks...(they can't do it so how could anyone else?)..nor put in the time and effort to do so......I think much of this criticism stems from the common human failing called "jealousy"...the Green Monster Robert; well stated. I agree with everything in your post - except your signature line.
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They had over 26" of rain up there last year, this year less than 1" so far......I'm sure that had a little to do with it. I've never seen mass like that on a deer either, any deer.
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I think a lot of the questioning has to do with people wanting to give credit where credit is due. So if people ask "high fence?", they are withholding their praise until they find out the circumstances of the kill... and unfortunately, for good reason.
I'll give my praise to a guy who hikes in 10 miles on a high hunt, and kills a young 3pt, but not to a guy killed a giant buck while accompanied by an entourage of guys who he is paying to be glassing from pick up trucks. But that's just me.
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strange how these things work!if this would have been labeled A7 "supergrade", "Premier"or "DLX", this rifle would likely be getting praise and people would be saving up their pennies but, the discussion turned quickly from the gun to how it was branded!
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Read my posts on this thread...I could care less what they call it.
The a$$ kicking I'm giving them is relative to the stupid decisions they've made with the A7...whatever they call it.
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I think a lot of the questioning has to do with people wanting to give credit where credit is due. So if people ask "high fence?", they are withholding their praise until they find out the circumstances of the kill... and unfortunately, for good reason.
I'll give my praise to a guy who hikes in 10 miles on a high hunt, and kills a young 3pt, but not to a guy killed a giant buck while accompanied by an entourage of guys who he is paying to be glassing from pick up trucks. But that's just me. I totally agree with that. I don't think the majority of deer are killed in elevated box blinds over baited fields. Maybe on television, not by the average "joe hunter".
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I would bet the majority of whitetail deer killed in the mid-west are from blinds (ground and elevated) over corn, soybeans or winter weat fields.
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I think a lot of the questioning has to do with people wanting to give credit where credit is due. So if people ask "high fence?", they are withholding their praise until they find out the circumstances of the kill... and unfortunately, for good reason.
I'll give my praise to a guy who hikes in 10 miles on a high hunt, and kills a young 3pt, but not to a guy killed a giant buck while accompanied by an entourage of guys who he is paying to be glassing from pick up trucks. But that's just me. I totally agree with that. I don't think the majority of deer are killed in elevated box blinds over baited fields. Maybe on television, not by the average "joe hunter". The majority of the whitetails are killed from some type of stand. I don't sit in stands but I'm not going to belittle those who do.
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iddave, i had a T3 lite ss in the 300 wsm, that i initially bought because of getting a little extra horsepower in a lightweight guy with a rep. for exceptional accuracy. After playing with it awhile, wished it had a better recoil pad and a nicer stock then your basic tupperware and i didnt care for the jump from the muzzleblast..handled the a7 and liked the ergo's well enough, but looked to me to be pretty much more of the same at a higher price tag so i passed . When the tecomate hit the market, i instantly liked the looks of it and it addressed the pad and stock issue and hopefully the heavier barrel contour will help keep the muzzle down for me...kinda funny how the things that turned you off about it actually addressed what i was looking for !
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I can't fault your reasoning, even if they are different than mine. I'm a HUGE fan of light weight rifles, so anytime a manufacturere starts adding weight under the guise of "improvement" I get pissy.
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I can assume the guns shoot good out of the box. i don't know what the price is and i don't care. i have bought 25 remington 700's to finally get one that shot and only then after recrowning. i also have a cheap savage that shoots great and would not sell it for 3 times what i paid. Why is everyone so concerned with how someone chooses to market their product. what does evryone do for a living. If you are getting paid someone is pimping whatever you do just because they make more than you does not make them bad hunters or bad people. No one on here owns anything that has not been pimped in one form or another and i would bet most of that pimping is BS. we need to change this to the green forum cause there is an awful lot of it painting this thread.
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mound - I agree with your principle.
Just curious - Did you give $1410.00 for ANY Rem 700. That's none of my business but that's the current price of a Tecomate A7.
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No but if i could have i would have if it would shoot like any sako out of the box. I spent I don't know how many thousands on remingtons and out of the box i struck out, I know people that have just not me. Sauer, sako,savage, tikka and weatherby have been the great right out of the box, they may cost more but at least i don't feel like i am rolling loaded dice.
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i have bought 25 remington 700's to finally get one that shot and only then after recrowning. Ummmm, please don't take offense to this, but I'm calling balderdash on you.
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You can call anything your heart desires but I am telling it like it is, if anything i am under the actual number i have bought.I will say that the one i have that has killed alot of game is a 25-06 rem 700 with hart barrel and I still have a bunch of remingtons.I am talking right out of the box sorry you don't believe it but its the truth. i once bought a 7mag with a friend getting one at the same time and his is a tack driver mine would not shoot for crap out of the box.I am jinxed on remingtons!
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I will say I have never bought a sendero and they are supposed to be good out of the box but I will jinx them too
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mound - W O W, man I never heard of anyone with that kind of bad luck. (seriously)
Maybe you should;
...1 Change your name..
...2 Change your address..
...3 Change your birth certificate.. < G R I N >
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no kidding, but I will try again I do like the damn guns i just have had bad luck. I am not a remington hater and I would not hesitate to use a big bore rem action on dangerous game and I have done so.I just always have to spend so much on them compared to some others out of the box.
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"If it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all"..... Seriously, I've owned close to twice the amount that you have and had one that just flat-out wouldn't shoot. Twas a Remington Classic in .280. I'd not be wasting my cheddar on lotto tickets if I were you. *grins*
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"If it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all"..... Seriously, I've owned close to twice the amount that you have and had one that just flat-out wouldn't shoot. Twas a Remington Classic in .280. I'd not be wasting my cheddar on lotto tickets if I were you. *grins* All my remingtons have been THE BEST in the world....grins..especially the .257 that dumbfounded Nathan.. Again, my KS, and 5R shoot like crazy..nothing against remington. Edited to say--Except the fact that the new(er) KS rifles are not nearly what they once were.. B8
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the bad luck doesn't spill over to lotto tickets. i hit 5 out of six several times in florida so i don't think i will ever buy enough to get at a loss. if you buy a remington that shoots let me know i might buy it if someone else shoots it first and they know it shoots under 3/4 of an inch.
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I could go so far as to believe a sample of 3 to 5 might have been defective---at the extreme outside. However, 25 Remington 700's would not shoot? I would bet almost anything that you personally just can't shoot, that's likely the problem, I'm sure.
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I would bet the majority of whitetail deer killed in the mid-west are from blinds (ground and elevated) over corn, soybeans or winter weat fields.
Dink I'd agree with that, if only because the hunters are generally stuck with a limited area to hunt, say, only a couple hundred acres at most, and probably a lot less. None of my family's ground is more than 240 contiguous acres, though they have several pieces of ground of 40, 80, or 160 scattered over the county in various places. That pretty well mandates tree stands or some variation thereof.
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Ula24--I doubt thats the problem as I have over sixty rifles that do shoot 3/4 inch or better including big bores that will shoot also.I have several savages that shoot 5/8 inch at 250 yards and i shoot several times a week.I will give you my ffl guy who has been getting guns in for over 20 years and he will tell you the same thing, just has not been my experience. That does not mean yours is not better but I have no reason to lie like I said i have many remingtons and they shoot great after work but for me NEVER out of the box
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With that detailed explanation, I believe you. I just have seen so mant guys blame their rifles, when they just plain can't shoot. With that being said, you have truly been very unlucky with Remington. I have never heard anything like your run of bad luck before.
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well i can tell you it almost as bad with kimber just not as many maybe six but rugers are even worse. i almost can't even fix them but the remingtons can be worked on then they shoot and shoot better than most.like i said my favorite gun is a remington 700 that i had tweaked and it will shoot.
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