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Sheriff's office said the Marine's rifle was on safe. How many Marines do you figure fresh out of the Corp, forget to take the safety off if they intend to shoot?

If he was ex Air Force, I'm down with that potential...not a Marine. For all we know he got his rifle, aimed at them until he verified who it was, then put the safety on and was lowering it when Barney Pfife started shooting.

No way, no how.... a 26 year old former Marine bad guy, intending to shoot cops, forgot how to use an AR 2-3 years out.

Let me interpret this for you. An entry team of several armored up/loaded for bear county hoodlums breach the door. A lone "drug runner" is on the other side of the breached door with a gun. He doesn't fire a shot. Said team of hoodlums sees gun and runs the [bleep] back out the same door they just destroyed....and for an hour, they just stand around to establish "scene safety". Where I come from, this is called abject cowardice. Your life and the life of the rest of the entry team depends on the #1 and #2 man both making it to opposing corners in the room you just entered, each man clearing his corner as he goes in, there is no other way to clear a room. You do this or you die in the attempt, it is that simple. If you don't have the cajones for this, you are a poser, as these thugs obviously are. It is still argueable if this former Marine was guilty of anything, it is not argueable that these thugs are despicable human beings, barely worthy of the title.

When two of you are carrying shotguns and four full auto's, it don't take long to put 60 holes in somebody.

Still can't phathom how I would not know a guy who was shot 60 times...was still a threat or not...but I am out. You are right...all perfect in the world...no sleep loss for me either

That means nothing...the Police could have shot him before he had time to take the safety off..

If the SWAT guys believed he was part of a violent home invasion crew and a former Marine, they were probably not going to take any chances...

The article said the wife's sister? (I think) recently had a home invasion. So it would be something potentially on their mind, no?

All I know is what I would do if my son saw someone in black outside the window and the door busted down and I'm a lilly white clean citizen.

Considering the Indiana Supremes ruling, I hope you are as cautious as well, my friend.

You need to stick with chasin' ambulances, the more you talk, the more stupid you look. You obviously ain't cut out for that line of work either.

If someone busts through my door...I am not taking any chances either...

Just be quicker than that former Marine was then...

Does depend on how long he had the weapon in his hand. One would have to assume he didn't keep it in the living room and from accounts that is where the confrontation took place.

I don't blame the SWAT guys for shooting, they think they're entering a bad guy's house and he's holding an AR. Easy action.

The safety on is merely a possible clue that the guy was merely trying to protect his family.

You won't stand a chance if you are a hijacker and they know it.

What are my chances if I live next door to the Hijacker?

SWAT crews aren't generally told the people behind the door are Girl Scouts.....

Which is why they blew the chit outta this guy.

I just question that the only route was to have what happened, especially when there are officer's lives on the line as well.

And a very legitimate question, regardless of the guilt or otherwise of the dead guy..

Absolutely. Why is it no one else is questioning why they didn't pick this guy up at work, or on the way to or from?

You've been casing his house and you don't even know where or when he works?

How can it not be safer and easier for everyone, to stop him out in the open in his car, getting in or out?

This is what really annoys me, not the fact a shooting took place. You bust down doors, you are far more likely to have dead bodies than where you can physically view him and control the environment.

You never know. It may have been a overzealous decision by cops. It may have been the safest option available.

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Laffin'...sniff some more glue,dumb schit!

It would not be safer, if he was a real bad guy that had voiced, or displayed, the potential to go down in smoke.

There's all kinds of scenarios, but I'm sure they knew he was home, knew who else was in there and kicking down the door apparently was the only option?

If your on the back side of a SWAT team and a busted door and your armed, they're going to shoot you, dealer or not, and the guys kicking the door down aren't going to chance your nature either...

Putting all the marbles on the alleged perp ain't good business, especially when you don't have to kick a door in...

The number of shots fired is relevant because one is not privileged to use more force than is necessary to neutralize a threat. Pretty hard to argue that it required sixty rounds to neutralize the threat. Not saying it's dispositive in itself, but it is considered relevant at trial when self-defense or defense of others is the defense.