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FWIW, my apologies, LtPowell for insinuating that you don't have a moral compass.

My problem wasn't with the LE personnel, other than potentially the number of shots fired. My issue is with the Pima County Sheriffs Department that made these decisions.

Doesn't that beg the question? Aren't you presuming guilt?

Is this the statement you are refering too?

It is a predetermined factor (not fact), else they wouldn't have a warrant, now would they?

Guilt was not predetermined and I should have used "alleged" for clarification.

Sounded like you were blaming the dad for endangering his son by engaging in something that he's presumed not to be involved in, i.e., drug trafficking.

Actually, I was referring to this:

That's what I get for being humble.

It was presumed he was involved in drug trafficking, by the warrant being issued.

They don't issue warrants because your suspected of nothing.

Well, I thought that was a followup to the tactics you asked me to set out. I had to pick up my wife from the airport though and just got back.

Regardless, these threads always get personal, which is why I usually avoid them. People here tend to be 100% pro LE or 100% anti, I try to see both sides. I respect how difficult the job is, but I fear where we're headed.

Like I said above, I apologize.

I hear ya.

My point is that once the door gets kicked in, all bets are off and the responsibility for restraint isn't an obligation when the SOB on the other side has so much as a scratch awl in his hand...

For conversation....

The guy weren't shot "for a drug warrant" and weren't shot for "drugs". He were shot for pointing a rifle at the PoPo, which is a pretty reasonable reason to shoot somebody.

If the PoPo should've been where they were to get the aforementioned rifle pointed at them is a separate issue.

Please don't. Nothin to apologize for. Some of the first things you learn in LE is not to accept responsibility for anybody else's actions and not to second guess decisions made in moments that were not experienced. This ain't my first rodeo with government hating either. It was the same in the early 80's. Unfortunately, the only "government" that most people can wrap their heads around are postal workers and cops.

SWAT is perhaps the dumbest idea to evolve since the Gestapo. A bunch of overcharged males running around in Ninja outfits with fully automatic weapons with little oversight by elected officials.

The same people stood around the school in Columbine waiting for God knows what, while the two perps continued to murder people inside.

A long retired decorated LEO of my acquaintence said of Columbine, that first officer on the scene should have drawn his weapon and attempted to stop the carnage. Yeah, he/she might have been killed but "To Serve and Protect" should be more than a slogan on police cars.

The police are not your friend and they cannot protect you.

Executing a drug warrent does not require armed, agressive entry, absent threat to others inside. That's why we have the ability to isolate a premise and call in a
negotiator.

BTW he was not a Marine. He was a vet who had served in the Marine Corps.
More media BS to demonize the military.

Remember Ruby Ridge.

Not to go off on a tangent but the inaction at Columbine has pretty much changed the way most departments handle active shooters.

As far as negotiator, what happens when they fail? Drug dealers are sometimes known to have weapons and often are willing to duke it out.

You know that silence? Like when parents are taliking about Santa and a kid walks in the room?

Let's not cloud this fantasy....

Is that the government trained psychopath demigod shot down by the government trained psychopath demigod who makes up 80% of the police ranks?

I've heard framis/bosslady/et all do live in a fnatasy world.

Uncontested KOTY..

Its better than reality when you can omit all the scary parts and be perfect all the time...