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Would it be a "bad" thing if I said I kinda liked it....? 
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far be it from me to blaspheme against one of the most beloved and devoutly worshiped rounds amongst the Campfire brethren....but the fast twist .223 AI is sort of a puzzlement to me as a vehicle to hurl high SD missiles fast.
in most actions, you could just as easily use the .22-250 with 30% more case capacity, order a fast twist barrel, and you're done. No excuse needed to tinker around with a wildcat, just wondering what the perceived advantages of the .223AI are? Lots of cheap mil brass? Burning a few grains less powder? Milder to shoot? cool factor? 30% more powder equals about a fifty or so percent reduction in barrel life. If you go with a Savage so you can change barrels yourself, your argument has a point. Unless your gunsmith is a lot faster than mine (and charges a lot less to rebarrel) or you have a 4-jaw lathe in your shop and the experience to run it, the 223AI is a sound choice. Do you reload? Not having to trim a rifle cartridge very often is an absolute huge time saver.
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Tom, The other Tom insisted. Schweet!
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Tom, The other Tom insisted. perfect camo if you're hunting from a Mardi Gras float
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THAT would be a sweet avatar! Almost as good as Stick's painted Montucky...
“There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot.”
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Marty- Happy Birthday amigo!!! Treat yourself to a new 8.5x50 Viper! 
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More than a few grains less powder, much longer barrel life, no [bleep] case trimming, far easier to hold on hair and watch everything unfold through the scope in a light rig.
One can burn a LOT of rounds done a 223AI tube. It's nothing to run a few hundred rounds and if you factor in using an extra 40% more powder per pull that factors in a whole bunch as far as tube life and cost.
Did I also mention no case trimming?
Sometimes just enough is just enough. The 223AI is just the right amount for a 22 bore.
Besides, I don't really consider it a wildcat either. Seems if I can buy factory ammo and run it through a rifle it's not a true wildcat.
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By that standard, of course, none of the AIs are wildcats. When selling one, if one ever does such a thing, one quickly finds out that it is indeed a wildcat.
I can see the appeal of "a little bit more" of the .223 without the blast and cumulative recoil issues of the .22-250 particularly for high volume varmints. But for a fast twist .22 deer rifle, I think I'd go Swift or .22-250. And just deal with the case trimming. Actually, I'm thinking about going the opposite direction with a 6 x 45 for my next toy.
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I'll pay more for an AI in the correct cartridge than not. Considering you get nothing back from a $10 cigar, or from flushing $200 worth of TP down the drain a year, the resale don't factor much.
I'm not inclined to build my rifles to please the huddled masses, else I'd be running nothing but 270's or 30/06's with windage adjustable bases.
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223AI is a better mousetrap for killing critters than the 6x45.
But then again I've never been prone to guessing.
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223AI is a better mousetrap for killing critters than the 6x45.
But then again I've never been prone to guessing. Well said...
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“There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot.”
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Considering you get nothing back from a $10 cigar, or from flushing $200 worth of TP down the drain a year, the resale don't factor much.
I like the way you think....
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I agree, if everybody bought stuff with resale in mind wed all have the same shizz.....
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I'm not inclined to build my rifles to please the huddled masses, else I'd be running nothing but ........ with windage adjustable bases.
Scopes don't wear out as quickly that way I hear, at least not the windage adjustments. 
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
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Would it be a "bad" thing if I said I kinda liked it....? Not a "bad thing" but a "gay thing".
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I can sure buy into the "no case trimming" aspect of the AI. Did a batch of 500 once-fired LC cases on my little hand trimmer once. Once.
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More than a few grains less powder, much longer barrel life, no [bleep] case trimming, far easier to hold on hair and watch everything unfold through the scope in a light rig.
One can burn a LOT of rounds done a 223AI tube. It's nothing to run a few hundred rounds and if you factor in using an extra 40% more powder per pull that factors in a whole bunch as far as tube life and cost.
Did I also mention no case trimming?
Sometimes just enough is just enough. The 223AI is just the right amount for a 22 bore.
Besides, I don't really consider it a wildcat either. Seems if I can buy factory ammo and run it through a rifle it's not a true wildcat.
Its like you described a 222 Magnum to a T...
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Considering you get nothing back from a $10 cigar, or from flushing $200 worth of TP down the drain a year, the resale don't factor much.
I like the way you think.... only mentioned as relevant to the "it's not really a wildcat" argument I don't give a ratshit about resale, I'm not building guns for the next owner, I'm building them for me.
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