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is it enough ? What do you guys think ?
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BC grizzlies think it is enough.
Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite!
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What happens when it pencils thru...then what?
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All I know, and FWIW, the flat base 200 TSX outta a 300 win mag just kills the chit out of wild pigs.
That's a wicked looking bullet.
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Fubar... If, I was shooting a cape buff I'd use the 200 TSX but not on a mtn griz but dats just my way. Dober
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is it enough ? What do you guys think ? Yes. From stem to stern.
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I know the 168TTSX work great in my 300 so the 200 grainers have to work mo better!
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No way I would use 200 TSX for that Bear, much rather have a 200 grain Nosler Partition. The game I have Killed with Barnes Bullet seam to take longer to expire. I think you would get faster kills with the Partition. Just food for thought. I have seen Two Grizzly Bears killed with 300 Win. Mag. one guy used 200 grain Nosler Accubond and the other used 180 grain Nosler B/T Each of them Bears went down at the shot. DRT (Dead Right There)
Like Mark said, use that bullet for Buffalo.
Just food for thought.
Then again it might work just fine, I just wouldn't use it.
Wish you luck
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Fubar... If, I was shooting a cape buff I'd use the 200 TSX but not on a mtn griz but dats just my way. Dober Precisely. Mo' better to go faster with something lighter.
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After seeing two TSX bullets from a 375 H&H not exit one moose, I would prefer Partitions to do massive damage.
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What happens when it pencils thru...then what? They don't pencil through at all, but leave some nice exit wounds. Been on quite a few hunts with my cousin and he has been rocking this same bullet/cartridge combo for the past couple of years with a factory stainless Model 70. I believe he's killed 6-8 deer, 6' black bear and a bull caribou so far.
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Not always but they do and can, just a thunk... 53 TSX out of a 223 on a lope. (not a 30 cal/200 I get it but..) Dober
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In the 300 WM i don't think you could do better for Bear than the 180 gr or 200 gr TXS. My experience with the TXS they kill very quick and you don't recover many bullets.
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Well I'd go lighter...
With the monolithics, velocity adds much to the terminal effects. A faster moving 168 TTSX will hit harder and provide penetration to spare.
Also, as it's a rather long bullet, I'd be concerned with the 200 TSX continuing to fly point forward after the initial impact...that will affect penetration dramatically.
A 200 Accubond is a good choice in that weight, but the 168 will still out-penetrate the AB.
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I have never killed a mountain grizzly but I am a internet expert on such matters and that trumps everything.
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1. a 223 is not a big game cartridge. 2. must have been tough searching miles of sagebrush to find that bullet after it "penciled through" eh ? 3. respect the game and use an appropriate cartridge. A friend's tiny wife (90 pounds) killed a 5X5 Elk at 100 odd yards with a 243 and an 80 gr TTSX. Took out both lungs, 2" exit hole. He went 20 yards spraying blood that a blind man could have followed, laid down and died. 4. I'd rather have a bullet that "penciled through" after breaking both shoulders than one that blew up and left a 8"" wide crater 2" deep after striking a major bone.(idiot who shot a big Mulie at 80 yards with a 135 .277 SMK from a 270 Weatherby. happily the guide shooting a 30-06 with 150 gr TSX was backing him up. while the "dude" was standing there waiting for the animal to drop, the guide put one behind the last rib as it ran away. He plied up in 30 yards, bullet not recovered, must have "penciled through".) 5. momometals are taking over. even Hornady has brought one out for their special lever action ammo beacuse they work better.
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This just might get good!
Anybody who seriously concerns themselves with the adequacy of a Big 7mm for anything we hunt here short of brown bear, is a dufus. They are mostly making shidt up. Crunch! Nite-nite!
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Not always but they do and can, just a thunk... 53 TSX out of a 223 on a lope. (not a 30 cal/200 I get it but..) Dober I beleive that you recovered that bullet from a dead critter A hole through the vitails does wonders
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Well I'd go lighter...
With the monolithics, velocity adds much to the terminal effects. A faster moving 168 TTSX will hit harder and provide penetration to spare.
This is the Lazzeroni philosophy that has proven to be false many more times than it has been true. IMHO I would use a 200gr AB........whatever bullet you choose in this weight class I have found H1000 the powder of choice in my rifles.
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