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Originally Posted by Swampman700
My opinion is the facts. Your opinion is an opinion.


Now that is a very telling statement! grin

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It sure is....


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It ain't the rifle.


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Originally Posted by Swampman700
Remington Model 700 hands down winner.....


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No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.

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Swampy may not shoot worth a [bleep], but he's the best fisherman on this board.

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Originally Posted by Swampman700
My opinion is the facts. Your opinion is an opinion. The off brands are just that....off brands. Do your research on who bought Marlin. It's easy to find.

The most accurate production boltaction rifle in the world is the Remington Model 700. It follows that if you bought one in .30-06 then you'd have the "most accurate .30-06 factory rifle.".....in the world.

You morons keep comparing apples to oranges. The SPS/ADL isn't as pretty as a BDL or CDL, but it shoots just as good. There are no quality issues.


Swampy, I try to be patient with you. I cut you more slack than a lot of these guys do. I understand that you like 700's. I can dig it. And nobody is saying that all 700's are bad.
I already told you, I own multiple Remington firearms, so I'm hardly a Remington hater.

But you're talking out your azz now. NO, your opinion is NOT the facts. You get into your pants one leg at a time, just like I do, ace. When you're right, I'm delighted to agree with you, and happy to see you contributing in a positive manner. But what you're saying now is rank ripe bullschitt, plain and simple. You're wrong about Cerberus/Remington/Marlin, and you're wrong about the QC issues. You're just flatazz wrong, pal.

And those 'off brands'??? They aren't 'off brands', ace. They are just as popular and viable as Remington. And they are kicking Remington's ass on the ranges. And that's another FACT!

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I'm not wrong about the QC issues. I'm not wrong about who owns Marlin. The rest are 'off brands'. They aren't nearly as as popular and viable as Remington, and they aren't kicking Remington's ass on the ranges.

Just the facts ma'am, just the facts.


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Like I said, you're just flatazz wrong on both counts. Denial doesn't change the truth.


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Nor do your opinions. What you do with the truth is up to you, I don't care.


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Swampy, you have made it abundantly clear that you truly don't care about the truth.

At this point, you've become irrelevant.


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At least Swampy is consistant. Out of the box with nothing done other than scope and fire, Tikka for the $750.00 mentioned. Sako A7 is another one. Steyr ProHunter but now over that amount for the most part. Bought the wife a Model 7 in 7-08, it will shoot, but only with very selective loads. Son's Tikka will shoot about anything at MOA or better. I'm sure some 700's are great but if I were a betting man I would get a Tikka. Too bad Swampy doesn't want to go to the range. Perhaps a distributer or second party would sponsor A NIB Tikka and a NIB Remington 700 best group with off the shelve ammo wins. I know which one I would bet on.

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Tikka, SAko A 7, CZ or Savage, Weatherby

I have Remingtons, Savages,CZ's, Winchester, Browning, Marlins, Weatherby

Tikka would be my first choice

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General advice is "don't feed a troll". I've been as guilty as any, feeding this Poopsayer way too much. I guess it's an instinct to help the helpless, escort little old ladies across the street, etc.

Altruistic thoughts and gestures are wasted here. The more I see, the more I realize he's just fishing, has no idea what he's talking about. He just throws out glittering generalities and platitudes, sits back waiting for someone to cross his bridge or take his bait.

Aggrivating for serious Fire participants, cheap entertainment for a troll, which is a low form of social retardation.

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Dirtfarmer,

I understand and, regrettably, have to agree.


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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
General advice is "don't feed a troll". I've been as guilty as any, feeding this Poopsayer way too much. I guess it's an instinct to help the helpless, escort little old ladies across the street, etc.

Altruistic thoughts and gestures are wasted here. The more I see, the more I realize he's just fishing, has no idea what he's talking about. He just throws out glittering generalities and platitudes, sits back waiting for someone to cross his bridge or take his bait.

Aggrivating for serious Fire participants, cheap entertainment for a troll, which is a low form of social retardation.

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Swampy is very very narrow minded!!!

Well said !!!

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An accurate 30-06? It's been over 50 years since the 30-06 was a serious target rifle.Makes a great hunting rifle,I have only three now,and my two sons' have three.The sorriest excuse for a hunting rifle a Browning A-Bolt II was by foar the most accurrate.


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My 700 30-06 CDL did pretty good out of the box. I get some good groups, but I'm betting in the hands of a good shooter it came out of the box 1" or a little under.







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This [bleep] is funny.

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Originally Posted by Cercocarpus
This [bleep] is funny.


For a limited run it is. Baiting on both sides, fish pulling each other and seems to drift into every thread. Could say more, but in a word - deterioration.


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SwampTroll:

Can you explain why Weatherby, Sako and others GUARANTEE their rifles accuracy, and the company you work for in the PR DEPARTMENT to do damage control have an ...."accuracy spec" of 200-300% of others Guarantee?

Ghostman, you could not GIVE me a Rem mfg. in the mid-late 90s.....Greens problem is not just recent. I went thru a truckload of 700 junk in those days....a fact.

JB - your experience with Rugers accuracy in the #1 mirrors mine with several I have worked with over the years. Out the box RUGER #1s outshooting 700s that were also....new out the box.

There are those who believe bolts are always more accurate....as some who believe the 700 is the end all and most accurate....or at least spew that advertising for Green....for Big Green.

Then there are those who know how to shoot, and actually SHOOT...not just type, and then report the facts.


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