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257 all the way. Have a montana in 257 that is the perfect whitetail rifle. No wrong can be done there.
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Noted Whitetail biologist Dr. James C. Kroll sets the criteria thus: 1-A bullet weighting at least 140 grains. 2-Velocity approx. 3,000 fps.
He considers the 257 marginal but acceptible.
I believe he uses a 7 mm magnum, 140 gr. bullet. Dr. James C. Kroll does not know his ass from a hole in the ground.
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Anyone use a Ruger No.1 in .257? But I use a .308 for whitetail.
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Noted Whitetail biologist Dr. James C. Kroll sets the criteria thus: 1-A bullet weighting at least 140 grains. 2-Velocity approx. 3,000 fps.
He considers the 257 marginal but acceptible.
I believe he uses a 7 mm magnum, 140 gr. bullet. Dr. James C. Kroll does not know his ass from a hole in the ground. If that is the criteria, I don't have a whitetail rifle. Even rifles like my 338 Federal and 9.3x62 won't kill deer since they don't meet the 3,000 fps requirement. I guess it's time to buy a magnum.
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Both...just picked up a Winchester Model 100 pre-64 in .308 and a Ruger No.1 in .257!
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I killed my first deer in 1949 with a .257 Rbts [desert mule deeer] 2010 whitetail with a .308 In the intervening decades I've killed more than some ungulates on a couple of continents with more than fifteen different cartridges. My experience is if you shoot'em in the chest they all work well, if you shoot'em in the butt, not so much.
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I'd rather have a .308 because it's cheaper to shoot, and you can buy ammo in the stores. not everyone's hunting supplies and equipment revolve around what Walmart is carrying this season....
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I'd rather have a .308 because it's cheaper to shoot, and you can buy ammo in the stores. not everyone's hunting supplies and equipment revolve around what Walmart is carrying this season.... Seafire~ apparently you missed the part where "swampy" informed everyone he Orders his ammo the Day BEFORE a hunt
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Anyone use a Ruger No.1 in .257? DANG! Thats a nice antelope for MA.!!! Pretty slick to take him with a proper rifle too...Kudos....
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Anyone use a Ruger No.1 in .257? DANG! Thats a nice antelope for MA.!!! Pretty slick to take him with a proper rifle too...Kudos.... Pretty sure that one would have been at the top of the pile for MA , but it was dispatched just a little north of Malta MT. Usually head that way during the hunting season to visit family.
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I thought that country looked familiar.....
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Noted Whitetail biologist Dr. James C. Kroll sets the criteria thus: 1-A bullet weighting at least 140 grains. 2-Velocity approx. 3,000 fps.
He considers the 257 marginal but acceptible.
I believe he uses a 7 mm magnum, 140 gr. bullet. Dr. James C. Kroll does not know his ass from a hole in the ground. If that is the criteria, I don't have a whitetail rifle. Even rifles like my 338 Federal and 9.3x62 won't kill deer since they don't meet the 3,000 fps requirement. I guess it's time to buy a magnum. I'm sure this news will come as a great relief to the hundreds of millions of whitetails who mistakenly thought they were dead after being shot with .30-30s, .32 Specials, .300 savages, .35 Remingtons, .303s, Krags......well, you get the picture. The doc are an ass, I am thinkin'
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Well I vote for the 257 Bob. I shoot a 6.5 x 55 a lot so this whole thread is nothing more than its the end of July and unless you live in Alaska, hunting season dose not start for another month and a half. I'M including a spring a string and a sharp stick ( that would be bows for those of you in Rio Linda). I see that we are all Bored, this summer is almost over and Fall will be here soon enough. The Bob is a hand Loaders thing these days but lay in 500 cases and you are going to be set for your life time. Ammo it not the issue here, there is not to much in the way of Big Game hunting in North America were you would be at a disadvantage by shooting a Bob, I can think of only two were I would want more gun, and in those two cases I would want at least a .30-06.
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Anyone use a Ruger No.1 in .257? Yes, I do own a Ruger No.1-A in a .257 Roberts. I also own an Encore in a .308 Win. The Encore 308 was my go to rifle for 8 years. Then I bought the No.1-A .257 Roberts and it has become my go to rifle. Why? Well it's cool to watch the bullet impact.
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257 is high cool factor, accurate, light recoil. 308 is far more flexible, lots of cheap surplus ammo and has a zero cool factor, sorta like the 30-06 that all the experts know is a worthless obsolete cartridge. My 257 is a Cooper AI. My 308 a DPMS tactical door buster. 06's a Browning Safari, Model 70, pre WW I 1903 Springfield (original) and Rem 721B. All work just fine and will kill any Whitetail that walks the earth. Oddly the 721B draws the most attention: (yup factory wood)
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Those photo's almost look real..
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The truth is, 308 vs 257 ain't never gonna make a nickels worth of diffence. Shoot what you like.
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Upset eh RD, those emails from OT get your attention ? Mr. "Last Troll not on ignore" Yeah the photos are fakes, everyone has a resident artist to paint a stock picture to fool you. Just like this one: or this one or this one or these TWO Let's see what you got Troll !
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Noted Whitetail biologist Dr. James C. Kroll sets the criteria thus: 1-A bullet weighting at least 140 grains. 2-Velocity approx. 3,000 fps.
He considers the 257 marginal but acceptible.
I believe he uses a 7 mm magnum, 140 gr. bullet. There is no bigger fan of the 7 mag than me...that said,I'm sure he knows what he likes....but his criteria excludes things like a 270 Win,the 7x57 and 7/08,the 6.5x55,and many loads,both factory and handloads, for the 280 Remington;as well as the 257 and 25/06. Need I say more? As to the 308 and 257,a rifleman will get it done with either one.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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